Hey all.
In a game that I'm running, my players just hit level 10, and the Investigator in the group decided to take the Dandy Archetype Dedication.
I like to keep track of the character's progression, so I always follow their leveling using Herolab, and I came up with a bit of an oddity.
The Dandy Archetype Dedication feat has the following line in it:
You become trained in Deception and Society; if you were already trained, you become an expert instead.
The Investigator was already Expert in Deception, and a Master in Society. But when I added the feat to his character in Herolab, it seemed to bump out the skill points that he spent in those skills and says he has 2 free skill upgrades for Expert.
So my question is, is this accurate? Does the feat effectively bump out the expert ranks that he trained in to redistribute to other skills?
Thanks for your help in this.
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Technically it does nothing, as you already had those ranks. However, you should be able to make use of the retraining rules. Then it does effectively give you extra skill ranks to use on other skills. So Herolab is right.
Usually dedication feats like this have a "if you are already an expert in these skills pick ones of your choice instead". I have to assume this is an error rather than an exception, since as Gortle said you can still do exactly that with extra steps by using Retraining.
Usually? While there are archetype dedications with "if you were already Trained, become Expert" and ones with "if you were already Expert, become Expert in another skill", I don't see any archetypes with both.
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Usually? While there are archetype dedications with "if you were already Trained, become Expert" and ones with "if you were already Expert, become Expert in another skill", I don't see any archetypes with both.
Correct: I see three dedications that say 'become expert in X (or any other skill you are trained in if you are already expert in X)' and plenty that say 'become trained in X (or any other skill if you are already trained in X) but none that combine the two into a three-tier 'Trained in X, or Expert in X if you are already Trained, or Expert in any skill if you are already Expert in X'.
Even the 'become expert in X (or any other skill you are trained in if you are already expert in X)' dedications seem to be outnumbered by strict 'become expert in X' dedications (like Acrobat, Archeologist, Herbalist, and Medic)
Thanks for the replies!
The thing is, it's not treating it the same as those types of feats. The way that Herolabs is treating it, it's not giving you a new skill choice. It literally just bumped out the ones that were already spent and tells you to spend them again.
I agree with the above comments, and am suspecting that it's just a glitch, but it would be great to know for sure. If anyone from Paizo wants to chime in, I won't complain! :)
If Herolab is giving new selections in this case, then Herolab is incorrect, and this should be reported as a bug.
Save yourself the retraining time and just assign those skill boosts. It is a general principle of the game that those dedication boosts are not wasted but, dedication feats are written with the expectation that characters take them at the level they qualify for the feat. It would take too much word count to list every possible circumstance.
If Herolab is giving new selections in this case, then Herolab is incorrect, and this should be reported as a bug.
Yeah. Definitely going to let them know. :)
Save yourself the retraining time and just assign those skill boosts. It is a general principle of the game that those dedication boosts are not wasted but, dedication feats are written with the expectation that characters take them at the level they qualify for the feat. It would take too much word count to list every possible circumstance.
This has been my thought process as well, but nice to see that I'm not the only one.