Monk: Ki Strike

[The Shark of Gozreh]

I already know the answer to this, but how else can I convince and explain to my GM as well as another player in my Pathfinder Society PbP game that Ki Strike includes the Flurry of Blows as part of the action cost to use Ki Strike? It seems they are convinced it costs a separate action to use Ki Strike and another separate action to do the Flurry of Blows. Is there a better way to explain it or is there an official ruling somewhere that I can link?

[FowlJ]

Under Subordinate Actions:

Quote:

An action might allow you to use a simpler action—usually one of the Basic Actions on page 469—in a different circumstance or with different effects. This subordinate action still has its normal traits and effects, but is modified in any ways listed in the larger action. For example, an activity that tells you to Stride up to half your Speed alters the normal distance you can move in a Stride. The Stride would still have the move trait, would still trigger reactions that occur based on movement, and so on. The subordinate action doesn’t gain any of the traits of the larger action unless specified. The action that allows you to use a subordinate action doesn’t require you to spend more actions or reactions to do so; that cost is already factored in.

[PawnJJ]

I mean, by their logic, flurry of blows itself should take 3 actions... One action for flurry then two for strikes...

[TwilightKnight]

Hmmm, it can be hard to convince someone about a rule if they simply don't want to see it. The spell specifically lays out that it is a single-action focus spell. When you cast it you either make a Strike or a Flurry of Blows with a bonus to hit and damage. Its pretty clear. I'm not sure what they are missing. It reads the same as any other spell. First you expend the cost, then you get the effect. I guess I don't see the difference between this and Ki Rush. Do they expect you to spend an action casting that spell and then spend two actions to Stride twice? The arrangement seems the same to me. Good luck!

[Blave]

TwilightKnight wrote:

It reads the same as any other spell. First you expend the cost, then you get the effect. I guess I don't see the difference between this and Ki Rush. Do they expect you to spend an action casting that spell and then spend two actions to Stride twice? The arrangement seems the same to me. Good luck!

It's not even just spells. Feats like Power Attack use exactly the same wording. So unless they think Power Attack takes 3 actions to actually do anything, I can't really see their point.

[Michael Sayre]

Ki Strike includes the action required for flurry of blows. So casting ki strike for 1 action and 1 Focus Point allows you to, without spending any further actions, make your flurry of blows attacks with bonus accuracy and damage. If this was the first thing you did on your turn and there are no other effects in play that are increasing or decreasing your actions, that would mean you now have two actions remaining.

[Gisher]

PawnJJ wrote:

I mean, by their logic, flurry of blows itself should take 3 actions... One action for flurry then two for strikes...

Think of the poor Eldritch Archers. Six actions to use Eldritch Shot is brutal. :)

[Deriven Firelion]

There you go. Straight from a designer.