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I am making a champion cavalier (and perhaps a marshal too) based heavily on the character Sir Orrin Neville-Smythe from the 1982 film, Flight of Dragons.
As a champion, I need to pick a deity though, but am having trouble deciding which one might be the best fit for such a character. What do you think would be appropriate for such a chivalrous and heroic knight?
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Looks like he is a LG Paladin. Iomedae if core 20 would fit. Apsu even better IMO to get the draconic feeling.
Does this thread exist because of a deity selection question, or his chest armor in the first link?
krobrina wrote: Does this thread exist because of a deity selection question, or his chest armor in the first link? the chest is actually quite realistic.
A lot of combat full plate armors had a spike on the right breast, so that if the knight fell off his horse he could "death hug" enemies, with the spike piercing opponent's heart. (it used much less stamina than wielding a sword while in the plate mail and had the same effect, it killed)
Oh my.
Didn't know that film.
And now I have to see it.
What a masculine scream though.
ps: Agree with the raven black. As for apsu, the wiki says
Quote: Golarion lacks much of a centralized humanoid church of Apsu. The largest congregation of humanoid Apsu worshipers on the planet is known as the Platinum Band, which maintains relatively small centers of worship in Oppara and Absalom. I don't have any clue what the Platinum Band is, but it might be eventually something nice for a champion.
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HumbleGamer wrote: Oh my.
Didn't know that film.
And now I have to see it.
I was really hoping someone might feel that way! It's one of my childhood favorites. :D
why is the dragon eating dragon eggs? how the hell does that species not go extinct?
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ArchSage20 wrote: why is the dragon eating dragon eggs? how the hell does that species not go extinct? Two things:
#1: Dragons are fully human level intelligent, meaning that, like a cannibal eating babies, that one is making a choice. You don't ask "Why does Hannibal Lecter eat other humans, isn't that bad for the species?" and this is the same principle.
#2: Many real world animals do this even outside of being intelligent like that. Male bears will kill and eat a female's cubs so that she is willing to have new cubs with them sooner, and lions will often kill all cubs when they take over a pride. Genetics are selfish, and if you can increase the odds of your personal genes surviving and the birth rate of the species is high enough to sustain such behavior, it's not uncommon.
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Deadmanwalking wrote: ArchSage20 wrote: why is the dragon eating dragon eggs? how the hell does that species not go extinct? Two things:
#1: Dragons are fully human level intelligent, meaning that, like a cannibal eating babies, that one is making a choice. You don't ask "Why does Hannibal Lecter eat other humans, isn't that bad for the species?" and this is the same principle.
#2: Many real world animals do this even outside of being intelligent like that. Male bears will kill and eat a female's cubs so that she is willing to have new cubs with them sooner, and lions will often kill all cubs when they take over a pride. Genetics are selfish, and if you can increase the odds of your personal genes surviving and the birth rate of the species is high enough to sustain such behavior, it's not uncommon. Also, Bryagh is established in the film as being an evil dragon--the worst of the worst. It's one of the reasons why Sir Orrin challenged him and why Bryagh is the favored servant of the evil wizard in the film.
shroudb wrote:
the chest is actually quite realistic.
A lot of combat full plate armors had a spike on the right breast, so that if the knight fell off his horse he could "death hug" enemies, with the spike piercing opponent's heart. (it used much less stamina than wielding a sword while in the plate mail and had the same effect, it killed) I went to Royal Armouries Leeds Museum and never saw that. Isn't the wearer more likely to get stuck in the ground?
krobrina wrote: shroudb wrote:
the chest is actually quite realistic.
A lot of combat full plate armors had a spike on the right breast, so that if the knight fell off his horse he could "death hug" enemies, with the spike piercing opponent's heart. (it used much less stamina than wielding a sword while in the plate mail and had the same effect, it killed) I went to Royal Armouries Leeds Museum and never saw that. Isn't the wearer more likely to get stuck in the ground?
it may depend on areas and eras, (since armors did get lighter and people could fight well enough in them in the end) (it also depends on who you were fighting usually against.
also a lot of the exhibition armors were the ones used for parades and such (all the ones with the elaborate flourishes and etc) since those are in much better condition and, not surprisingly, had a much higher chance to be preserved. I've seen parade pieces so heavy they used pulleyes to put the riders on horses, those weren't usually used for actual combat (maybe for joust? not sure about tat though)
That said, i've seen a few of them in some museums, i think in malta's one there were some, or in rhodes (or in both?).
But i dont think the concern is to get stuck in the ground, the ground is surpiringly hard to piece with just a fall. Plus, i imagine, falling face first and completely prone in the ground, in a battlefield, you wouldnt survive long either way...
I would be interested to see photos.
I could just about imagine spikes on tournament (exhibition) armor.
On battle armor it sounds like a very bad idea. They just get stuck in places and catch swords that should bounce off.
krobrina wrote: I would be interested to see photos.
I could just about imagine spikes on tournament (exhibition) armor.
On battle armor it sounds like a very bad idea. They just get stuck in places and catch swords that should bounce off.
they weren't spikes. Those i've seen were literally just 1 thick nail, about a palm long. The descritions of their usability said that they were last measures for when falling from horseback, i'm not sure that i'll be able to find pictures of such armors, since most plates i've seen in the web are the usual english knight plate that seems a lot lighter than those. if i do find one, i'll tell you the www.
Actually it was simple to find what exactly it was:
aparently what has stuck into my mind was the secondary use because it was more thrilling to my younger self than the primary use^^
Basically in heavy cavarly armor, instead of a hook, it was a straight spike. Primary use to balance a lance during a charge, and sharpened to still be able to somewhat fight in such a heavy armor if you fell down.
you can somewhat see it in the knight facing towards the front (but not quite clearly, look in the right breast here: ArmeriaPalacioRealMadrid.JPG
I absolutely love A Flight of Dragons. It’s right there with The Last Unicorn and Legend for my favorite high fantasy movies from that era.
ArchSage20 wrote: why is the dragon eating dragon eggs? how the hell does that species not go extinct? He doesn't eat all of them!
Link doesn't work. Sounds like jousting (tournament) armor some of which was set with parts of the right arm immobile to support the lance. Would not be used for battle for this reason and others.
krobrina wrote: Link doesn't work. Sounds like jousting (tournament) armor some of which was set with parts of the right arm immobile to support the lance. Would not be used for battle for this reason and others. Not at all jousting armor.
Heavy cavalry armor for battle.
The arm is fully mobile, the left side mirrors the right instead of the akward jousting one that the sole purpose of the left side is guarding and etc.
Lances in actual battles were used as formation charge to break through the enemy lines.
As for the picture: It's not a link per se, it's a picture, if you google the exact phrase it should take you to it.
I speak a different language to you so google gives different results. Do you have a link?
https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:ArmeriaPalacioRealMadrid.JPG
That should take you to it, as I said, it's not the best picture (it was the first I found), but if you look at the right breast of the front armor you should barely see.
It's really small and I can't see what I am supposed to. This image gallery appears to be from the same hall of the same museum. I think this picture is the same warrior from a different angle. I can't see it there. The shadow from the first photo becomes a ridge that runs across the whole chest, and is probably a joint for flexing or from construction.
I can't tell you more than what I've seen and read in the description plaques.
I've been to 4 medieval museums (Spain, Italy, Rhodes, malta) and it was only in one of them, so definitely not something every armor, order, or region had. That's why I initially said it may be area specific.
As for what it looks like, it's a plain ~15cm spike on the right breast (around where the nipple would be or a bit lower than that)
The closest I've seen in online pics that I've searched now were indeed in jousting armors, that they do have a similar apparatus, but that is not pointy (more like a straight piece of iron) and jousting armors are completely different in their left side compared to battle armor (the only use of the left side on jousting armors being to receive the blow).
So, if it's just curiosity, look for such pictures, and imagine that piece of iron as sharpened, but on an actual combat plate and not on a jousting one.
My guess is that those particular armors took indeed inspiration from that and just repurposed it for actual combat.
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shroudb wrote: https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:ArmeriaPalacioRealMadrid.JPG
That should take you to it, as I said, it's not the best picture (it was the first I found), but if you look at the right breast of the front armor you should barely see.
Linkified. Just needed to add [ url= link] linked text [/ url ] tags (without the spaces) around it, replacing "link" with the actual URL and "linked text" with whatever you want the blue, underlined link to say.
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