Lesser Celestial Totem + Fire God's Blessing + Multi-Classing

[Garbunkasaur]

How would the three mentioned above work together?

Fire God's Blessing: "When in combat, if you deal fire damage to an enemy, you heal 1 hit point. You can only benefit from this healing once per round. Attacks that cause a target to catch on fire heal you each round the target takes fire damage"

Lesser Celestial Totem: "whenever she is subject to a spell that cures hit point damage, she heals 1 additional point of damage per caster level. In the case of non-spell healing effects (such as channeled energy or lay on hands), she heals a number of additional points equal to the class level of the character performing the magical healing. This does not affect fast healing or regeneration."

Say I put 2 levels in Barbarian to grab the lesser celestial bloodline, I grab the Fire God's Blessing Feat, then I put 8 levels into something like paladin.
How would the healing work from lesser celestial totem be calculated?

At first glance it seems obvious that the healing would be based off of the barbarian class level but as I look further into it, the source of the healing is from a feat and not from any class ability; lesser celestial totem is just boosting the healing.

[avr]

Fire god's blessing is not a spell that cures hit point damage. It's a feat and so won't trigger lesser celestial totem. LCT triggers off the caster level of the spellcaster, so if this barbarian 2 / paladin 8 cast cure light wounds on themself it would heal 1d8 + 5 from the spell, +5 from LCT (a paladin 8 has a caster level of 5) for a total of 1d8 + 10. If they cast the spell from a wand with a caster level of 1 it would heal 1d8 + 1, + 1 from LCT for 1d8 + 2.

[Firebug]

avr wrote:

Fire god's blessing is not a spell that cures hit point damage. It's a feat and so won't trigger lesser celestial totem.

Wouldn't it fall under the "non-spell healing effects" clause of LCT(Lesser Celestial Totem) then?

Lets say you use a a torch to deal fire damage, and not any class ability to do so. So how do you calculate it if not total character level? If I wanted to restrict it as a GM I would simply make it the lower of the Barbarian class' level or the CL(or class level) of the effect that is doing the healing.

[avr]

You're right Firebug, I didn't read far enough. And in that case fire god's blessing probably does trigger off character level IMO.

[Falconer]

I respectfully disagree. You answered the question yourself. It is based on the class level or caster level of the effect which triggers it. The feat is not a class ability nor spell-like. It does not get any bonus healing. Class level is wholly different than character level and the two should not be conflated.

That said your example has some other rather glaring flaws. One Sezelrain worship on a paladin is grounds for some serious atonement issues (the fire god worship is a prerequisite for the feat, that orc god is CE). The second flaw is barbarian requires non-lawful alignment so is incompatible with paladin. But that's a digression from the main topic :).

But if your fire demon worshipping barbarian gets healed by a level 8 paladin. You have the basics down.

Class Ability, lay on hands or healing burst... +8 health from 8 class levels backing the class ability.
Casts Cure Light, +5 healing from CL5 spell casting of a lvl 8 paladin.
Fire God's Blessing Feat: +0 as it is not a class ability and thus has no class levels.

PS:
I researched this combo a little while back as I'm currently playing a skald who uses Lesser celestial totem to really amp party healing. And thought hey I could turn this into a kind of non-regeneration regeneration... til I read further and realized it just doesn't work.

Just as an example, try pairing this rage ability with Path of Glory. Instead of 1 point of healing per round.. you get 1 point + caster level per round. Stupidly powerful healing both during and after a fight.

[zza ni]

to be precise. the totem feat say:
"she heals a number of additional points equal to the class level of the character performing the magical healing"

in the fire god's blessing, isn't the one healing the character the actual fire god? what's his level?
i mean it's obviously not the character since he doesn't need do any action if the target is on fire and still gain the hp.

as for the class level of the feat ability. it should be the character's class level. as any sla or such ability that is gained from feats (or racial abilities etc)

[Falconer]

The first part is fun when read tongue in cheek. I guess ultimately all clerics healing comes from the deity granting it... so the CL doesn't matter either ;P.

But seriously, this is a rules forum where people come for answers to rules questions.

For Spell-Like Abilities from the rules.
"If no Caster Level is specified, the Caster Level is equal to the creature's HIT DICE."

So a spell like ability is not based on character levels or class levels at all by the rules themselves.

Is Fire Gods Blessing a SLA? No, the feat does not state anywhere that it grants a SLA. So the SLA rules do not apply.
Is it a class ability? No
Is it a feat? Yes
Do feats have class levels? No

As this is a RULES discussion. Please cite where it states that feats have class levels or character levels.

[VoodistMonk]

I don't think they interact, at all. In any way, shape, or form.

Fire God's Blessing heals you 1hp. That's it. Nothing further.

LCT never kicks in, doesn't do anything, just sits there looking pretty on your character sheet until you are subject to an actual healing spell or magical effect.

LCT doesn't care about your Fire God's Blessing. Nor does the blessing from your fire god care about LCT.

[Derklord]

It's actually fairly simple: LCT says "[the barbarian] heals a number of additional points equal to the class level of the character performing the magical healing". Unless explicitly said otherwise, feats are non-magical, and thus Fire God's Blessing doesn't produce magical healing; as LCT doesn't triggers off non-magical healing, it doesn't trigger off Fire God's Blessing.