Can you select the cantrip shield twice and if so, can you cast the second shield cantrip if you shield block with the first one?
No
Yes, but it's pointless because no.
Imagine if you had a spell that said after casting it you couldn't cast it again for 10 minutes. It wouldn't matter if the other casting is from a different slot or came from a different tradition (perhaps due to a Dedication), you'd still not be able to cast that spell.
That's the phrasing Shield uses, that you can't cast it (the spell) again for 10 minutes. It doesn't matter the source.
Funnily enough, if you cast it twice or even thrice (and somehow had enough Reactions, like some Fighters & Champions could have) then you could Shield Block multiple times in one round (or for longer if there were a way to extend the duration since you're still not casting Shield again). You wouldn't need to select Shield multiple times to do this. Each casting makes a separate shield already.
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No.
Each prepared spell is expended after a single casting, so if you want to cast a particular spell more than once in a day, you need to prepare that spell multiple times. The exceptions to this rule are spells with the cantrip trait; once you prepare a cantrip, you can cast it as many times as you want until the next time you prepare spells. See page 300 for more information on cantrips.
emphasis mine.
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Yes, but it's pointless because no.
Imagine if you had a spell that said after casting it you couldn't cast it again for 10 minutes. It wouldn't matter if the other casting is from a different slot or came from a different tradition (perhaps due to a Dedication), you'd still not be able to cast that spell.
That's the phrasing Shield uses, that you can't cast it (the spell) again for 10 minutes. It doesn't matter the source.Funnily enough, if you cast it twice or even thrice (and somehow had enough Reactions, like some Fighters & Champions could have) then you could Shield Block multiple times in one round (or for longer if there were a way to extend the duration since you're still not casting Shield again). You wouldn't need to select Shield multiple times to do this. Each casting makes a separate shield already.
A character is limited to how many reactions they can take. 1 per round (unless very high level fighter i think).
A character is limited to how many reactions they can take. 1 per round (unless very high level fighter i think).Yes, but it's pointless because no.
Imagine if you had a spell that said after casting it you couldn't cast it again for 10 minutes. It wouldn't matter if the other casting is from a different slot or came from a different tradition (perhaps due to a Dedication), you'd still not be able to cast that spell.
That's the phrasing Shield uses, that you can't cast it (the spell) again for 10 minutes. It doesn't matter the source.Funnily enough, if you cast it twice or even thrice (and somehow had enough Reactions, like some Fighters & Champions could have) then you could Shield Block multiple times in one round (or for longer if there were a way to extend the duration since you're still not casting Shield again). You wouldn't need to select Shield multiple times to do this. Each casting makes a separate shield already.
I stated as much.
Both the Fighter & Champion (and Bastion Archetype) have access to mid-level feats that allow for an extra Shield Block (and Fighters have a 20th level feat for more).This situation had never occurred to me before, yet now I'm thinking it'd be funny under pressure to put up two Shields (especially vs. a boss) so as to spare your physical shield (or after losing it!). If you're going to lose access to the spell, you may as well make the most of it that round.
Ok true, but that would not apply to a Shield spell reaction of Shield Block. Your answer is confusing.
The Shield spell references the Shield Block Reaction.
There's no other "Shield Spell Reaction", only that normal one.Those feats give you an extra Reaction for the Shield Block Reaction.
So you can use them for this, since they're both talking about the same Reaction.
Then if you cast Shield twice in the same round, you could Shield Block twice by using your normal Reaction alongside the feat's bonus one.
Guess that brings up another question.
Can you get shield block (fighter), shield block (champion), and shield block (bastion)?
Might as well throw in divine reflexes as well.
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Can you get shield block (fighter), shield block (champion), and shield block (bastion)?
There's also War Priest and Druid (not that you can necessarily stack to 5, just alternatives).
And either way, it doesn't matter how many "copies" you're granted, you still can only use it once per turn.
Can you get shield block (fighter), shield block (champion), and shield block (bastion)?There's also War Priest and Druid (not that you can necessarily stack to 5, just alternatives).
And either way, it doesn't matter how many "copies" you're granted, you still can only use it once per turn.
per turn?
I though it was per trigger.So if you are attacked 3 times, you could (potentially) block 3 times.
You also can't gain the same feat more than once unless it has a special note in the feat that says you can - so you can only have the feat once, and can only use the reaction once per turn (barring having taken a feat that explicitly permits you another use of the reaction, at least).
but are they the same feat?
And the feat does explicitly permit extra reactions.
I'll start a new thread since this is not about cantrips.
And either way, it doesn't matter how many "copies" you're granted, you still can only use it once per turn.per turn?
I though it was per trigger.
You only get 1 reaction at the start of your turn. Regardless of how many triggers you get, you can only use one reaction.
There are some (fighter, champion, etc) feats to gain extra reactions for Shield Block.
And the feat does explicitly permit extra reactions.
No it does not.
SHIELD BLOCK [reaction] FEAT 1
GENERAL
Trigger While you have your shield raised, you would take
damage from a physical attack.
You snap your shield in place to ward off a blow. Your shield
prevents you from taking an amount of damage up to the
shield’s Hardness. You and the shield each take any remaining
damage, possibly breaking or destroying the shield.
Nothing in that says you gain extra reactions. That's why Quick Block exists.
Nothing in that says you gain extra reactions. That's why Quick Block exists.
yea, I ment quick block.
But I made new thread.