Hmm some help with a low level Feint build


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I am playing on a campaign doing a tournament arc and so far my character is not doing so good. Feint builds are better at higher levels, rolled low on some things, and overall things are a bit questionable at the moment.

I was hoping to get some advice on what to get for my 5th level class and feat.

Current Character:
Biggest stats are Dex 16 and Cha 16.

HP: 26
AC: 14

Classes: Virtuous Bravo Paladin 2 (Paladin of Shelyn)/ Spear Fighter 1/ Warrior Poet Samurai 1 (Order of the Songbird).

Feats:
1. Weapon Focus (Glaive), Weapon Finesse.
2. Dodge, Bladed Brush.
3. Combat Expertise.
4. Improved Feint.

The goal of the character is to use Feint to be able to hit better. Eventually going Devoted Muse and Moonlight Stalker to get Concealment and Damage bonuses.

So far My Feints (Bluff of +11) are not landing. Which doesn't help when my rolls are low.

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Does anyone have any suggestions?


First do something about your AC! 14 is not front line-capable. Sure, you lose 1 point of AC by putting a suit of armor on, but then you get the AC bonus of the armor which is likely to be much higher. I don't think there's anything else you lose for this character so far. A masterwork (or even mithral) chain shirt is cheap and has few downsides.

Then you can worry about your bluff skill. There are consumables which can help like draconic perfume or permanent items like a badge of veiled authority or a circlet of persuasion. You could spend your L5 feat on it if you're really having trouble.

I assume that L6+ is likely to be in the devoted muse prestige class. That gives you a single level to work with which needs to be full BAB. Besides adding one to the level of one of your current classes, urban bloodrager/barbarian gives you +2 AC/attack/damage for a few rounds a day, or scaled fist unmonk would let you add your full Cha to AC if you really don't want to wear armour and could give you combat reflexes as a bonus feat.


Hmm sadly I cannot do anything about the equipment since its a low gold campaign. But I will see about getting better armor.

You are right I was hopping to get Devoted Muse as soon as possible, which is why I have that kind of Bizarre multiclass.

Regarding Bluff, at the moment I often get 24 (keep rolling around 13) and have mostly fought enemies with training in Sense Motive or monsters (which gives me a penalty). So I am unsure whether to fix Bluff, fix my stupidly low HP, or do something else.

Hmm, of the class I have now and Scaled Fist Monk, which would be the best?


Counting the differences:

L3 VB paladin: +1 AC, +1 damage with smite.
L2 Spear fighter: bonus combat feat, +1 to acrobatics to avoid AoOs.
L2 WP samurai w/songbird: +1 damage with challenge, one versatile training w/perform (dance) - about the equivalent of the cunning feat.
- all of those could wear a chain shirt for +3 AC over the current pretty easily.

L1 scaled fist unmonk: better saves, +2 AC when unarmored, one bonus combat feat, assorted bonuses fighting unarmed (including when something's too close to swing a polearm).

A 24 on bluff to feint should beat humanoid enemies with a +14 or less in sense motive, or many others with a +10 sense motive or (BAB+Wis) 10 or less. Either you're way outclassed or there's something odd happening.


I am not sure I know my highest bluff was 24 and it failed. I do belief the GM is making everyone fight against higher level enemies.

Having said that. I think the Monk level seems to be the best short term. With Samurai and Paladin being tied due to 1 AC and good conditional bonuses. I'll think about it.

Do you recommend any feats?

I was thinking Deceitful to help my feint. Spear Dancer, because Dazzle. The GM recommended Toughness due to low HP (which is tempting if I roll low HP again).


Combat reflexes for sure. A reach weapon and high dex? It's a crime not to have it.

If you go with monk then you have another feat. Skill focus (bluff) is obviously the biggest bonus you can get. Deceitful might lead to the incite paranoia feat further down the track; it's obviously a point less good for feinting. Dunno what race your character is but against the remote chance you're a half-orc, the additional traits feat might get you dirty fighter and born under the stranger; this would be the biggest single benefit with feinting which a feat could give you. The betrayal of trust trait might replace dirty fighter for non-half orcs, though it might not fit you.


A am playing an Aasimar and Betryal of Trust is antithetical to both the backstory and what I belief to be Shelyn's doctrine.

Incite Paranoia might be useful if we ever fight groups. So probably will go that route.

The Monk sounds like a good idea the more I think about it. Will probably have to talk with the GM and other Monk player.


You playing now, aren't you? What changes are you allowed to make?

Low gold: How much gold are you allowed to start with?

Classes: is that your character level 4 with levels in Paladin, Samurai, and Fighter?

How many Bluff Checks have you been made so far? With a +11, 24 should be more like your average roll than your highest (21-22).


Just put 1 level in wizard foresight specialist and every time you need to roll a dice of d20 you automatically get a 20 since you have a bizarre pc why not do it more bizarre ;-)


Scott Wilhelm wrote:

You playing now, aren't you? What changes are you allowed to make?

Low gold: How much gold are you allowed to start with?

Classes: is that your character level 4 with levels in Paladin, Samurai, and Fighter?

How many Bluff Checks have you been made so far? With a +11, 24 should be more like your average roll than your highest (21-22).

I am playing right now. Spend a good chunk on a Sunsilver Glaive, but most of my earned money has been from Perform checks and Festival competitions (earned 150 silver from a drinking contest). Yes it is my character. Level 4 split between Paladin, Samurain and Fighter.

I have made a lot of Bluff checks. However, a good chunk was a sparing match vs the Monk going for Snake style. The other was against a Two Weapon dancer character. Judging by the fact 24 failed I assume he had a +15 in Sense motive.

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@Zepheri I dont think multiclassing Wizard would work. My character has 0 reason to actually take that class. Its the same reason I am definitely not taking Bloodrager.

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