Shrink item uses part 2

[Garion Beckett]

Ok i know there has this kind of post before but i want to ask weirder questions with this spell.

1) What happens to a person wearing non magical armor and the armor gets shrunk on him? I was thinking about plate mail specifically.

2) What happens when a building gets shrunk with people still inside??

3) Does a corpse count as items for the purpose of the spell?

[avr]

1: It will fall off the wearer leaving him in his underclothes. If he's lucky the gambeson won't be counted as part of the armor.

2: That's a really small building you're looking at. Not much bigger than a dollhouse. I expect the person - surely not people - inside will be entangled in the wreckage.

3: Yes, a corpse is an item as well as being a deceased creature.

[Garion Beckett]

avr wrote:

1: It will fall off the wearer leaving him in his underclothes. If he's lucky the gambeson won't be counted as part of the armor.

2: That's a really small building you're looking at. Not much bigger than a dollhouse. I expect the person - surely not people - inside will be entangled in the wreckage.

3: Yes, a corpse is an item as well as being a deceased creature.

Sorry i did not see how much you could shrink until after lol

More questions. 4) what happens if you shrink an item with a magical item inside it. Like a backpack holding a lich box?

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

It used to be that you couldn't shrink something that would potentially damage anything inside it, nor damage itself if it tried to shrink beyond something it contained. This meant that 2 (which would normally be illegal due to size limits) and 4 would have failed.
More amusingly, once the spell ended shrunk items would fail to revert to normal size if they could damage something containing it. So you could wrap shrunk boulders in tissue paper or tie them up with string and have portable rocks that could be expanded to normal size on demand.

[Kimera757]

avr wrote:

1: It will fall off the wearer leaving him in his underclothes. If he's lucky the gambeson won't be counted as part of the armor.

So I read somewhere that medieval people didn't actually wear underwear... (Of course, he would still have regular clothing on under his gambeson.)

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

Comparisons to Medieval Europe are not often useful when talking about D&D settings in general.

[Screaminjim]

So regarding the corpse is an object thing... is there anything remotely official about corpse sizes as in a medium creature is 2 cubic feet a skeleton is a half cubic foot a huge creature is *insert number here. Etc?

[Java Man]

A normal animal is about the density of water, or one gallon/8 pounds. Google can surely help you with converting gallons to cubic feet.

[Screaminjim]

Java Man wrote:

A normal animal is about the density of water, or one gallon/8 pounds. Google can surely help you with converting gallons to cubic feet.

Yeah I actually was looking through that type of stuff yesterday and came up with enough to formulate some house rules but i was wondering about anything official.. my concept I'm trying to work with is a skeleton with permanent shrink item on it then reanimate it for expandable pocket skellies bloody variety of course

[The End Times Party]

Screaminjim wrote:

Java Man wrote:

A normal animal is about the density of water, or one gallon/8 pounds. Google can surely help you with converting gallons to cubic feet.

Yeah I actually was looking through that type of stuff yesterday and came up with enough to formulate some house rules but i was wondering about anything official.. my concept I'm trying to work with is a skeleton with permanent shrink item on it then reanimate it for expandable pocket skellies bloody variety of course

the problem comes up when we animate the (object) skeleton and it becomes a (creature) skeleton. it would no longer be a viable target for the shrink item spell...

but then, this is a Kewl enough idea that I might just invent a spell for it... something used to make a Robe of Bones...

[Cevah]

Java Man wrote:

A normal animal is about the density of water, or one gallon/8 pounds. Google can surely help you with converting gallons to cubic feet.

1 cu ft ~= 60 #

Normal human ~= 120 -180#
Medevil people were smaller than modern, so assume 120#, therfore 2 cu ft.

+|- size = *2|/2 weight.

The rest is an exercise for the [s]student[/i] wizard.

/cevah