Savage Critical Feat

[Jerael]

Hello,

I am not sure how to understand this feat:

"Savage Critical
Benefit : If you roll a natural 20 on an attack roll and confirm a critical (or you otherwise confirm a critical hit), treat your weapon's critical multiplier as if it were 1 point higher."

After reading this text, I first thought that the critical multiplier only increases with a thrown 20.

But after an argument from another player and after reading it a second time, I am now confused. In brackets it says "or you otherwise confirm a critical hit".

But that would mean: Whenever a critical hit is confirmed, the critical multiplier is increased by 1. This again means that the critical multiplier is always increased by 1.

I would like to know how you understand and use this feat.

Thanks a lot!
Jerael

[Axl]

The feat that you quote seems to be different from this version of savage critical.

In any case, the bracketed part would apply to Bless Weapon spell, Unstoppable feature of destined bloodrager, Weapon Mastery (level 20 feature) of the fighter, skewering weapon enhancement, pendant of the blood scarab, or disposable weapon.

I don't think that it would apply to coup de grace, because cdg does not have an attack roll, and therefore cannot roll a natural 20.

The bracketed part seems to be redundant though, because all of these effects do say that they confirm the critical. I think that the feat is just poorly worded.

[dragonhunterq]

It clearly differentiates between the attack roll and the roll to confirm - I suspect you and your fellow players are conflating the two..

So the feat is in two stages.
First your initial attack roll has to be a natural 20
Then if you confirm that critical - by any means - you increase the multiplier by 1.

I imagine the bracketed bit is to make it clear that the second step doesn't require a roll if you can confirm a crit by another method, to distinguish it from the first ste which requires a natural 20.

[vhok]

i can't find this feat you speak of so i'm going to call it third party and move on.

[SheepishEidolon]

vhok wrote:

i can't find this feat you speak of so i'm going to call it third party and move on.

It's Paizo material. Check out the link in axl's posting, first paragraph.

[Nyerkh]

Which was axl's point : there's a paizo feat with that name, and it's nothing like what OP's referring.

D20pfsrd tells me this one is a Kobold Press thing. And it's kind of silly ?
No prerequisites, ups the crit multiplier of all your weapon crits by 1, possibly unconditionally.

To answer the original question : how you confirm the crit don't seem to matter.
The wording is a bit strange, so you might have to actually get an actual nat 20 on the attack roll but I don't think so.
Should that feat be allowed in the first place, I'd certainly ask for that, at least.

[dragonhunterq]

Nyerkh wrote:

The wording is a bit strange, so you might have to actually get an actual nat 20 on the attack roll but I don't think so.

I'm really not sure how you can find another way to read "If you roll a natural 20 on an attack roll" as anything other than ... uh ... needing a natural 20 on an attack roll.

I'd be interested in how you would word it so it was clearer..

Also it is a third party feat so flagged to move to third party forum,,,

[RAWmonger]

The fact that it specified “whenever you roll natural 20” implies it has to be a Nat 20. Don’t mistake “or otherwise confirm a critical hit” to eliminate the original rule, or they would’ve just said “any time you confirm a critical hit.”

Personally I think the author was saying “whenever you roll your confirmation roll and confirm your critical hit (or otherwise confirm your critical hit)”. Since the necessary next step after “roll a natural 20” is “roll for confirmation (or use an ability that allows you to automatically confirm.”