Champion -- Antipaladin and others


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


So, are there eventually going to be nine different Champion causes? I'm going to need an Antipaladin soon, is there any info/speculation on this yet?

Liberty's Edge

Might want to delete your duplicate thread ...


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The three forms of Evil Champions will be in the Advanced Player's Guide which will be out in July. For the Neutral forms we'll have to wait for future books.


Sorry if I accidently duplicated.


MarcCCTx wrote:
Sorry if I accidently duplicated.

Don't worry about it. It's a common accident. If you catch it early enough then you can delete the extras and save the mods some work, but it will be straightened out eventually.


What's the evil equivalent of Lay on Hands?


I listed off a few things you might be able to expect in the thread here.


Nicely done. Thank you.


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I think there might eventually be a lot more than 9 champion causes. Since Mark Seifter mentioned something like "The tenets of Mortality" as a potential prerequisite for causes for a Rahadoumi champion.

When we open it up to "champion of things which aren't an alignment" you have a lot of possibilities.


Nyerkh wrote:

Neutrals seem to be an issue so far, design-wise.

Evils are announced, so you'll just have to wait a few months.

I do hope we get Order and Chaos at some point. That alignment axis always comes out as much less relevant, and that saddens me. I'd personnaly enjoy seeing more of it.
Actually, I would be quite okay with the LG/CG/CE/LE corners just shifting tenets. A Paladin more aligned with Law than Good. A Liberator more interested in toppling dictatorships than helping with what comes after the revolution. Etc.
With a few tenet specifics feats for everyone, to go with and allow more customization.
But I've no idea what Paizo's plans are beyond the APG.
And I don't believe we know much about the evil champions yet ?

Edit : Dammit. Didn't realize this was a double post, my bad.

This is Nyerkh's reply to the other thread. I'm not sure how to delete a thread that has more than one post.

Liberty's Edge

MarcCCTx wrote:
Nyerkh wrote:

Neutrals seem to be an issue so far, design-wise.

Evils are announced, so you'll just have to wait a few months.

I do hope we get Order and Chaos at some point. That alignment axis always comes out as much less relevant, and that saddens me. I'd personnaly enjoy seeing more of it.
Actually, I would be quite okay with the LG/CG/CE/LE corners just shifting tenets. A Paladin more aligned with Law than Good. A Liberator more interested in toppling dictatorships than helping with what comes after the revolution. Etc.
With a few tenet specifics feats for everyone, to go with and allow more customization.
But I've no idea what Paizo's plans are beyond the APG.
And I don't believe we know much about the evil champions yet ?

Edit : Dammit. Didn't realize this was a double post, my bad.

This is Nyerkh's reply to the other thread. I'm not sure how to delete a thread that has more than one post.

The mods will deal with it, I think.

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