What are the stats for nonfist attacks


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I can't seem to find any rules for making non-fist attacks, whether you're a monk or not. What are the stats of say, a headbutt, kick, or bite when attempted by a humanoid?


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Here's what it says about Unarmed Attacks on page 278: "Table 6–6: Unarmed Attacks lists the statistics for an unarmed attack with a fist, though you’ll usually use the same statistics for attacks made with any other parts of your body. Certain ancestry feats, class features, and spells give access to special, more powerful unarmed attacks. Details for those unarmed attacks are provided in the abilities that grant them."

So basically, unless something says otherwise, a kick, headbutt, or an elbow are all treated as a Fist. Things that can make them act otherwise are e.g. Dragon Stance which lets you make especially powerful kicks, or the claws of an iruxi (which deal 1d4 slashing damage instead of 1d4 bludgeoning damage, and feats can improve that further).

Shadow Lodge

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Ah, so basically, they wrote "fist" because it takes fewer letters than "Unarmed Strike"? I can live with that. Heh, re-flavour your fist as your foot, and kick 'em!


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The Shifty Mongoose wrote:
Ah, so basically, they wrote "fist" because it takes fewer letters than "Unarmed Strike"? I can live with that. Heh, re-flavour your fist as your foot, and kick 'em!

For what are the feet, but the fists of the legs? These are the beginnings of wisdom. To learn that all of creation is but one universal fist, that is the beginning of enlightenment.


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Perpdepog wrote:
The Shifty Mongoose wrote:
Ah, so basically, they wrote "fist" because it takes fewer letters than "Unarmed Strike"? I can live with that. Heh, re-flavour your fist as your foot, and kick 'em!
For what are the feet, but the fists of the legs? These are the beginnings of wisdom. To learn that all of creation is but one universal fist, that is the beginning of enlightenment.

And what is the head but the fist of the torso?


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mrspaghetti wrote:
Perpdepog wrote:
The Shifty Mongoose wrote:
Ah, so basically, they wrote "fist" because it takes fewer letters than "Unarmed Strike"? I can live with that. Heh, re-flavour your fist as your foot, and kick 'em!
For what are the feet, but the fists of the legs? These are the beginnings of wisdom. To learn that all of creation is but one universal fist, that is the beginning of enlightenment.
And what is the head but the fist of the torso?

Butt is legs.


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mrspaghetti wrote:
Perpdepog wrote:
The Shifty Mongoose wrote:
Ah, so basically, they wrote "fist" because it takes fewer letters than "Unarmed Strike"? I can live with that. Heh, re-flavour your fist as your foot, and kick 'em!
For what are the feet, but the fists of the legs? These are the beginnings of wisdom. To learn that all of creation is but one universal fist, that is the beginning of enlightenment.
And what is the head but the fist of the torso?

Just as the fingers are the fists of the ... fist.

Liberty's Edge

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And beard is the fist of the face.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Reckless wrote:
And beard is the fist of the face.

Truly, for dwarven monks, one's beard is another fist.

Liberty's Edge

The Shifty Mongoose wrote:
Reckless wrote:
And beard is the fist of the face.
Truly, for dwarven monks, one's beard is another fist.

And Chuck Norris too.


I imagine that a kick or headbutt isn't different enough to a punch to warrant a different die size or different traits.

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