My friend is a wild order druid and is wondering how capable his character will be at lvl 12 assuming he has all the magical items to enhance his attacks to what they should be at level 12. Going by that how much damage would he be doing as a T-Rex for example. He's trying to compare damage against my Warpriest. Thanks for the help all.
Tyrannosaurus
18 base+2 item = 20 hit.
12 level+4 str/dex (if you boosted it)+4 expert + 2 item = 22
2d12+6
Cleric
12level+4 str+4 expert+2 item = 22
2d8+4
If you boosted Str/dex, druid is ahead.
Otherwise, looks pretty close to tied.
Think I'm doing that right.
Interesting, seems like level 13 he starts taking over with the damage bonus of +15. Even at level 12 if he went Stegosaurus he would be doing 4D8+6 that's pretty significantly better,no? Had a question on all the dinosaur forms and animal forms there Athletics modifier is listed, are they able to perform combat manuevers such as Grab or Trip?
I don't believe you can get item bonuses.
Tyrannosaurus
18 base+2 item = 20 hit
If you take on a battle form with a polymorph spell, the special statistics can be adjusted only by circumstance bonuses, status bonuses, and penalties.
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I don't believe you can get item bonuses.
If you take on a battle form with a polymorph spell, the special statistics can be adjusted only by circumstance bonuses, status bonuses, and penalties.Tyrannosaurus
18 base+2 item = 20 hit
But you have the option to use your own attack modifier instead of the special statistic of the spell. So if you use your own modifier, item bonusses should be fine.
It is not crystal clear if that is the correct way to read it and needs some clarification.But if you use the spells statistic because your own modifier is crap, then you can't get an item bonus, that's for sure.
I don't believe you can get item bonuses.
If you take on a battle form with a polymorph spell, the special statistics can be adjusted only by circumstance bonuses, status bonuses, and penalties.Tyrannosaurus
18 base+2 item = 20 hit
You are correct. That should be 18.
So you would basically always you your own modifier, unless you dumped them.
My friend is a wild order druid and is wondering how capable his character will be at lvl 12 assuming he has all the magical items to enhance his attacks to what they should be at level 12. Going by that how much damage would he be doing as a T-Rex for example. He's trying to compare damage against my Warpriest. Thanks for the help all.
How "capable", and "damage output" are not the same thing. Now, more than ever with the 3-action economy, there are so many different ways to be a "capable" member of a party, and damage output doesn't really capture it. Also, is the assumption, a party situation, or solo?
I guess the question is really, what is the theoretical damage output of character A and character B? Something like that.
Anyway, don't mean to derail, I just think if your friend is looking for "actual" capability, I don't think you should necessarily look at damage output.
So if the druid can't benefit from item bonuses what exactly do the Handwraps of Mighty Blows +1 striking do in dino form?
Sounds like we need an FAQ on this one
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Youre only allowed to do that if your bonus is higher it would seem. It is uncclear what you do when your bonus is equal to, rather than higher. You're simply excluded from the increase I guess?
if Handwraps of Mighty Blows apply, he would be doing significantly more damage then a Warpriest of the same level.
if Handwraps of Mighty Blows apply, he would be doing significantly more damage then a Warpriest of the same level.
Keep in mind, the warprist can do more stuff. Heal + Strike (+Divine Weapon) + Raise Shield + Block for instance. Maybe trip, grab, or cast a forbidding ward.
Wild Druid can only Strike. No spells, no shield. (Though the THP is kind of like blocking).
if Handwraps of Mighty Blows apply, he would be doing significantly more damage then a Warpriest of the same level.Keep in mind, the warprist can do more stuff. Heal + Strike (+Divine Weapon) + Raise Shield + Block for instance. Maybe trip, grab, or cast a forbidding ward.
Wild Druid can only Strike. No spells, no shield. (Though the THP is kind of like blocking).
Very true, good point. When you put it that way it seems like they probably should be able to use those Handwraps, otherwise Wild Shape would be kind of weak.
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Youre only allowed to do that if your bonus is higher it would seem. It is uncclear what you do when your bonus is equal to, rather than higher. You're simply excluded from the increase I guess?
I'm pretty sure the polymorph spells ought to say you can use your own bonus regardless, they just specify "if it's higher" so as not to potentially confuse new players. There's no way that such a restrictive application of Wild Shape's status bonus is intentional. In fact, if I recall correctly, there are some levels where the only way to get a higher attack modifier as a Druid than what the spell gives you is to already factor in the +2.
For once I hope the things a little bird told me are right.