Druid Multiclass


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I'm creating a wild order druid with, most likely, 10 str. I'm going to go into combat via wild shape, animal form/dinosaur form etc. As of now my stats are 14 dex/con and 18 wis.

Do you recommend multiclassing for this build, and if so, which class to dedicate into?


Not so familiar with the Druid, so take this advice with a grain of salt. If you are going to multiclass, I would maybe say monk. Depending on the interpretation, Ki powers may be out {Verbal Component, and I'm guessing most Dinosaurs would get past a roar. But if it could Ki Strike, Elemental Fist, and Wholeness of Body would be great.)

However getting Flurry of Blows should work with your unarmed attacks in Dino from. {and Wild Morph Spell.) Getting a stance to help you when your not in Dino from can also help {remember you can't be wearing armor.) And you can improve your saves with the 12 level feat.


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Wild-shape doesn't combo with many things, be very careful if that's what you're trying to do. You can get some bonuses to hit, but that's about it. You're stuck only using the attacks listed in the polymorphed form.

Wild-morph on the other hand, I think combos very well any melee martial.


Monk is useful once you can get flurry of blows. You shouldn't have too much space for multi classing if you're getting all the wild shape feats, but barbarian might help.


A character I'm planning on making is a druid/sorc. Partially for extra spells but also for the ability to recharge focus points every 10 mins no matter what. Combine that with the feat that allows wild shape to last an hour and you can change shape almost at will.


You probably want higher strength than that, several of the wild order feats are gated by strength


Abyssiensis wrote:
You probably want higher strength than that, several of the wild order feats are gated by strength

Only Form Control (str 14) and Perfect Form Control (str 18). They're pretty important, though!


How does form control feat work?

It says it acts as 2 levels below then normal. If I'm casting 'animal form' will it only affect my AC? As it says my AC for animal form is 16 + my level. I can't see anywhere else where my level will impact form control.

Thoughts?


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Crexis wrote:

How does form control feat work?

It says it acts as 2 levels below then normal. If I'm casting 'animal form' will it only affect my AC? As it says my AC for animal form is 16 + my level. I can't see anywhere else where my level will impact form control.

Thoughts?

You normally cast Wildshape at your maximum spell level. If you can cast 5th level spells, that's your Wildshape level, too. But if you want to extend the duration via Form Control, you cast it instead with the effect of a 3rd level spell, reducing its effects (you don't get heightened bonuses, for example) and making it easier to counteract.


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Crexis wrote:

I'm creating a wild order druid with, most likely, 10 str. I'm going to go into combat via wild shape, animal form/dinosaur form etc. As of now my stats are 14 dex/con and 18 wis.

Do you recommend multiclassing for this build, and if so, which class to dedicate into?

While the base form spells are fine at the level they can be heightened to, I feel a high str is important because you can out strip the attack bonus as early as the next level even starting with an 16 str. I also don't know if wisdom is really that important for wild druids. They don't really need to cast offensive spells.

Example-level 5 heightened animal shape (5th level dino form is the same) gives +18 to hit. At level 9, starting with 16 str, increased to 18 at level 5, You can have +11prof+4str+2wildshape+1handwraps=+18. At level 10 your proficiency goes up to 12 and it's also the earliest you can get +2 handwraps.

Also Dex isn't too useful other than for reflex saves. Your AC is set per the form spell.

Now this isn't to say you can't play with a 10 str. The form spells are really good their heightened levels, unless you sacrifice 2 stats to get an 18 str at level 1 I'm not sure it's possible to have a higher attack than the form spell of its level. Form spells will just become obsolete as you level past them. That bonus +2 from wildshape also gives wild druids practically a master proficiency in wild shape attacks at level 11 and expert at level 1.

As for multi-class I looked into fighter going into druid to get the legendary prof in unarmed and the +2 wild shape bonus. Also no need to sacrifice 2 stats for that starting 18 str. It's too bad you can't use weapon specialization though.


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Crexis wrote:

How does form control feat work?

It says it acts as 2 levels below then normal. If I'm casting 'animal form' will it only affect my AC? As it says my AC for animal form is 16 + my level. I can't see anywhere else where my level will impact form control.

Thoughts?

I did a dive into this last night. So yeah spells are cast 2 spell levels lower than max. If you look at animal shape, a level 2 spell, it can be heightened to be more powerful. And since normally wild shape is your highest spell level, you can lower it by 2 to not be as strong but to last longer.

One thing to note is I don't think you can reduce the spell level lower than the base spell level of the spell. For instance, you have to be able to cast 2nd level spells before wild shape can use animal shapes. Which means you can't use form control on it until you can cast level 4 spells.

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