Toughness clarity


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Do your hit points increase by 1 each level? Or is it +1 HP at level 1, +2 HP at level 2, +3 HP level 3, +4 HP at level 4 etc? So by level 4 you'll have increased your HP by 10.


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Your hit points increase by your level. When your lecel goes up by 1, your number of bonus hit points goes up by 1.


That's weak sauce


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Atalius wrote:
That's weak sauce

I think it should be a little stronger. Maybe level + 4 or something? Or keep the +level HP but recovery DC - 2?

It's certainly not good on most characters that already have a lot of health. But if you're a -1 Con Elf Wizard, at level 3 you'll have 6+(6-1)*3 = 21 HP, and getting 3 more isn't terrible - it's 14% more HP. Reducing the DC of recovery checks by 1 is minor, but not nothing.


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It works the same as old Toughness, which is fine.

1hp per level. I think it's great on anyone.

The only difference between PF1 and 2 toughness, is it use to start you out on 3hp, and then +1 for every level after 3rd.


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Skull wrote:

It works the same as old Toughness, which is fine.

1hp per level. I think it's great on anyone.

The only difference between PF1 and 2 toughness, is it use to start you out on 3hp, and then +1 for every level after 3rd.

But PCs have a lot more HP now than in PF1. (1d10+Con)*level vs 8+(10+Con)*level.


I mean, it is a general feat. They aren't that strong to begin with.


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Captain Morgan wrote:
I mean, it is a general feat. They aren't that strong to begin with.

I consider Fleet to be strong. +5 move can be very useful.


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the "You reduce the DC of recovery checks by 1" is huge. remember that dying is a flat check so decreasing the failure/critical failure is a bigger deal as you don't get to add modifiers. If you go dwarf and get the racial feat to reduce it further you can crit on a 17+ at dying 1.


I'm not going to lie. I must not be real smart b/c i don't understand the answer. If I take toughness at 3rd level, I get three bonus hp. When I level again do I get an additional bonus hp? My GM is saying its a flat one time bonus. So if you take the feat at 15th level you get 15 hp. That seems suboptimal to me.


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DeadlyGazebo wrote:
I'm not going to lie. I must not be real smart b/c i don't understand the answer. If I take toughness at 3rd level, I get three bonus hp. When I level again do I get an additional bonus hp? My GM is saying its a flat one time bonus. So if you take the feat at 15th level you get 15 hp. That seems suboptimal to me.

Assuming I understood you correctly, your GM is flatly wrong. When you take Toughness at 3rd level, you gain 3 HP, and you gain 1 HP at every level afterwards. If you instead take it at 15th level, you gain 15 HP, and 1 HP at every level afterwards.


OKAY. That is what I thought but then i was super confused. Thanks!

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