Placeholder Ancestries In The Monster Manual?


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


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The 1E Monster Manual had character stats for some creatures like the Aasimar and the Tiefling. Does anybody else think that we might get something like that this time around? The use of ancestry feats suggests not, but we could at least get the Orc (on top of the Hobgoblin, Leshy, and Lizardfolk, which are coming out as full ancestries in the very next month). If Planetouched, Geniekin and so forth are templates rather than true ancestries, we could get those as well.


I highly doubt it. It's not only the feats, you also need multiple heritages for every ancestry.

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They've said we won't get that kind of thing in Bestiaries in PF2.

I do hope we get a fair number of Ancestries (or other conversions of PF1 Races, like Aasimar or Tiefling as Heritages) pretty quickly, but it will be in books dedicated to player content, not Bestiaries.


From what I've heard they want to make the monster manual a 'gm only' book, so no players options - just monsters and options to customize them
(I am not sure where that info comes from)

I personally liked it to have several player options in the bestiary too, but I think we have to wait for the arg equivalent


It removes some ambiguity though. Like all the guides saying "ask your GM" if you can take "Ability Focus" for Witch Slumber Hex despite it being a Monster Feat

Different people have different interpretations but it would be useful to remove that element


I still would have liked about 12-15 general (and underpowered) ancestral feats that could be selected by multiple ancestries. Combine base stats of an ancestry, a single heritage for each, and a list of 8 or so of the general ancestry feats that the ancestry had access to and you could make a lot of placeholder ancestries fairly efficiently until you got around to making the complete versions.

Something like "Touch of the First World: Choose a single cantrip on the primal list. You may spend a point from your focus pool to cast it, with a caster level equal to half your character level."

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