Weapon Shift and Energy Type Weapons: Bootleg Elemental


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Weapon Shift:
Your melee weapons meld into your animal form.

Prerequisite(s): Wild shape class feature.

Benefit(s): When you use your wild shape ability, any melee weapons you are wielding and proficient with meld into your new form. Select one of these weapons; while in your new form, your natural attacks deal the same damage type as that weapon. Your natural attacks also gain all of the weapon’s properties (such as disarm), other than the double weapon property and the fragile weapon property; moreover, when using this feat to grant the trip property to your natural attacks, you gain a +2 bonus on combat maneuver checks to trip an enemy, but you cannot drop your weapon to avoid being tripped due to a failed trip attempt. Weapon Shift does not apply a magic weapon’s enhancement bonus to your natural attacks, nor does it grant your natural attacks any of a weapon’s magical special abilities.

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So through the Battle Poi exotic weapon we can get fire damage, and through Flame Blade + Elemental Spell we have the other three elements. Add the Choral Support teamwork feat and we can make this into Sonic damage.

Is it possible to get Positive/Negative Energy or Untyped?
Is there an easier way than Flame Blade to get other energy types than fire?

Some obscure archetype that gives you energy weapons at level 1 would be perfect, since I'd prefer to not be shoehorned into playing a druid.

Shadow Lodge

Kineticist is probably your closest bet. Wood has a Positive Energy option, Void has a Negative Option, and Kinetic Blade/Whip turns them into melee weapons.


A Kinetic Knight dip would have been perfect to avoid the burn cost of Kinetic Blade. The problem is the requirement of "wielding", since Kinetic Blasts are never considered wielded.

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The kineticist is never considered to be wielding or gripping the kinetic blast (regardless of effects from form infusions; see Infusion)

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I had a recent thread where I asked if Kinetic Blade was an exception, and I think the answer was "no".

The answer doesn't make much sense to me, but luckily "wielding" isn't actually a defined term so Kinetic Blade still works even though you aren't gripping or wielding it.


On second thought, can Flame Blade be affected by Elemental Spell?

Elemental Spell wrote:
Choose one energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You may replace a spell’s normal damage with that energy type or split the spell’s damage, so that half is of that energy type and half is of its normal type.

The spell itself conjures a weapon, which you use to attack with. Are the weapon attacks considered the "spell's damage"?


Alright, so Flame Blade should be affected by Metamagics that refer to spell damage since the spell is affected by Spell Resistance.

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Spell resistance (abbreviated SR) is the extraordinary ability to avoid being affected by spells. Some spells also grant spell resistance.

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If the damage can be negated by SR, it's part of the spell.
The weapon attacks should be considered the spell's damage.

Shadow Weapon creates a melee weapon that is subject to both a will save and SR, with the saving throw directly affecting the amount of damage dealt. If Flame Blade's damage is considered the spell's damage, the same should be true for Shadow Weapon.

Now, if we used Shadow Weapon to "shape a quasi-real masterwork melee weapon" of a Battle Poi which is "dealing normal damage for a weapon of its type", the spell would deal fire damage.
Which means it qualifies for Elemental Spell/Choral Support, while being a spell level lower than Flame Blade.

So it's perfectly doable for a Shifter or other non-druids to dip one level into Wizard and gain enough spell slots to last for a day (since Weapon Shift doesn't have a duration).


A feral champion warpriest who worships Gozreh could use the Gozreh's trident spell instead of flame blade with this. That doesn't especially help shifters of course.


i know you didn't want any druid but the green scourge have flame blade of different energy types ready as spontaneously spells(as well as shillelagh, or how ever you spell it)

also anyone using a lot of flame blade spells would want to have a look at this feat


@zza ni

Green Scourge would rather easily get access to all four elemental types with a metamagic rod keyed to acid, so it's probably the most versatile archetype for someone wanting to use Weapon Shift on a Druid.

The problem I saw with the "dip" into Druid for Flame Blade is that it would require 4 levels to get enough spell slots to last a day, which is a big opportunity cost. And since the class itself already gives you Wild Shape it just seems like a waste to not continue taking Druid levels.

Like, why go Shifter X/Druid 4 when you could just go Druid X?

For Wild Shape classes that want full progression, like Druid/Feral Champion, they'd benefit more from the alternatives presented by you and avr than dipping one level into Sorc/Wiz/Witch/Arcanist.

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