Sorcerer vs Bloodrager Bloodlines


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I had always assumed these were interchangeable, but with Heroes of Golarion's release having multiple Bloodrager bloodlines and the Phoenix Sorcerer bloodline I'm not so sure.

I mean, the only differences between the two are generally a couple of different feat selections (Sorcerers getting Metamagic and Bloodragers often getting more Combat), and occasionally more relevant bonus spells.

Which kinda sucks, cause the Phoenix bloodline was thematically on point for a character concept I've had floating around for a long time. Downside they're primarily a melee greatsword user, which doesn't work for a flat Sorc, but would have been brilliant for a Bloodrager. (I know multiclassing would also be an option, but then it really delays the whole being reborn from ashes thing and nukes the capstone.)

But I digress, I've also suggested a person use the Sorc bloodline they wanted on a Bloodrager. In this case, the Nanite bloodline (as it isn't great on flat Sorc). So was I totally wrong and homebrewing for people this whole time?


Bloodrager bloodlines give different powers at different levels; they are incompatible with their Sorcerer versions. So as written you can't use Sorcerer bloodlines on Bloodragers or vice-versa unless there's a version published for both classes.

With that said, Eldritch Knight Sorcerer works just fine as an alternative. It's a little barren in terms of class features, but if you want the powers of a Sorcerer on a martial character it gets the job done just fine.


Yes.

While many sorc bloodlines have a weird tendency for melee, with claws, elemental properties and whatnot, they are not interchangeable.
Different amount of Powers obtained at different levels - and calling out said levels - Arcana vs no Arcana, spells, etc.

Much like Domains and Blessings or even Mysteries and Spirits (to a lesser extent), they are closely related, sure, but different.
That they share a name doesn't change that, confusing as it might well be.

If you want a Sorcerer bloodline on anything else though, Bloodrager included, you have the Eldritch Heritage feat tree or the VMC.
Might be worth a look.


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I just wanted to point out something that nobody seems to be touching on… The OP listed the possibility of multi classing sorcerer with Blood Rager… You can’t do that the rules won’t let you… Blood Rager is a mix of barbarian and sorcerer
You cannot multi class as a Barb or a sorcerer… I see so many people talk about this and nobody is paying attention to the book you cannot multi class a sorcerer and a Blood Rager


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Valtrax wrote:

I just wanted to point out something that nobody seems to be touching on… The OP listed the possibility of multi classing sorcerer with Blood Rager… You can’t do that the rules won’t let you… Blood Rager is a mix of barbarian and sorcerer

You cannot multi class as a Barb or a sorcerer… I see so many people talk about this and nobody is paying attention to the book you cannot multi class a sorcerer and a Blood Rager

What makes you think you can't multi-class sorcerer with bloodrager? Bloodrager even addresses what you have to do when this happens.

BloodRager wrote:
If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform.

Bloodrager is not a VMC of sorcerer and barbarian nor is it a replacement class for either sorcerer or barbarian. It is its own class with it's own archetypes and you can multi-class into it same as you could any other class.

You can't multiclass Ninja and Rogue because ninja is an alternate version of rogue. That's not what's going on with bloodrager.

At one time the Parent class line might have put limitations on the class. At this point it's merely informative and has no bearing on what options are and aren't available to you.


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Valtrax wrote:

You can’t do that the rules won’t let you… Blood Rager is a mix of barbarian and sorcerer

You cannot multi class as a Barb or a sorcerer

This is untrue. This was a rule in the original beta test of the ACG, but it was removed from the final printing. There is no restriction on multiclassing Bloodrager/Barbarian/Sorcerer.

We're pretty much all pedantic nerds here, which means we do, in fact, pay attention to fine details. Fine details such as the fact that you just marked your own post as a favorite ;-)

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