Ring of Spell Storing and Spell-Like abilities

[Wonderstell]

Ring of Spell Storing:

A ring of spell storing contains up to 5 levels of spells (either divine or arcane, or even a mix of both spell types) that the wearer can cast. Each spell has a caster level equal to the minimum level needed to cast that spell. The user need not provide any material components or focus to cast the spell, and there is no arcane spell failure chance for wearing armor (because the ring wearer need not gesture). The activation time for the ring is the same as the casting time for the relevant spell, with a minimum of 1 standard action.

For a randomly generated ring, treat it as a scroll to determine what spells are stored in it. If you roll a spell that would put the ring over the five-level limit, ignore that roll; the ring has no more spells in it.

A spellcaster can cast any spells into the ring, so long as the total spell levels do not add up to more than 5. Metamagic versions of spells take up storage space equal to their spell level modified by the metamagic feat. A spellcaster can use a scroll to put a spell into the minor ring of spell storing.

The ring magically imparts to the wearer the names of all spells currently stored within it.

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Spell-Like Abilities (Sp):

Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability’s use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.

A spell-like ability has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell.

Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

If a character class grants a spell-like ability that is not based on an actual spell, the ability’s effective spell level is equal to the highest-level class spell the character can cast, and is cast at the class level the ability is gained.

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An Undine sorcerer with the Hydrualic Push Spell-Like Ability attempts to store it in a Ring of Spell Storing. Does it work?
And if not, why doesn't it?

[willuwontu]

universal monster rules wrote:

Spell-Like Abilities (Sp)

Spell-like abilities are magical and work just like spells (though they are not spells and so have no verbal, somatic, focus, or material components). They go away in an antimagic field and are subject to spell resistance if the spell the ability is based on would be subject to spell resistance.

Ring of spell storing contains up to 5 levels of spells, not SLAs. SLAs are not spells.

[Wonderstell]

Welp, thanks for the most straightforward answer I could hope for.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is isn't a duck.

[blahpers]

Sadly, Pathfinder isn't known for its adherence to duck typing.

[avr]

It's for prereqs rather than magic items, but one precedent is that if the spell is named a SLA of that spell will do, if it's not named the SLA-caster is out of luck. The ring doesn't name a spell.

I'm unsure how you'd relate this to birdspotting but feel free to have a go Blahpers.

[DarkPhoenixx]

Wonderstell wrote:

Welp, thanks for the most straightforward answer I could hope for.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is isn't a duck.

But if it weights like a duck then it is a witch.

[LordKailas]

DarkPhoenixx wrote:

Wonderstell wrote:

Welp, thanks for the most straightforward answer I could hope for.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is isn't a duck.

But if it weights like a duck then it is a witch.

and that means you can build a bridge out of her.

[David knott 242]

If you want to make an SLA to work with a Ring of Spell Storing, the SLA in question needs to have a spell level. That is a fairly easy requirement to meet.

[willuwontu]

David knott 242 wrote:

If you want to make an SLA to work with a Ring of Spell Storing, the SLA in question needs to have a spell level. That is a fairly easy requirement to meet.

Incorrect, it stores up to 5 levels of spells, not up to 5 levels of spells or spell-like abilities.

[Wonderstell]

I figured that a SLA was just the ability to cast a spell without having spell slots.
But apparently that's wrong, and although a SLA's effect is identical to the spell, they're not treated as spells.

So I can't store my SLA in the Ring of Spell Storing. But I can scribe a scroll of Hydrualic Push with my SLA, and then store it in the ring.

Quack

Is there any similar effect to the Ring of Spell Storing for SLAs?

[David knott 242]

willuwontu wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

If you want to make an SLA to work with a Ring of Spell Storing, the SLA in question needs to have a spell level. That is a fairly easy requirement to meet.

Incorrect, it stores up to 5 levels of spells, not up to 5 levels of spells or spell-like abilities.

I guess I didn't put enough emphasis on the part about making it work, even if it is against rules as written.

Metamagic feats would be an example of something that cannot be made to work with SLAs. Since you don't use spell slots of a given level to cast them, there is no obvious way to use a higher level spell slot for the metamagic version of an SLA even if your GM is lenient enough to let you do that.

The Ring of Spell Storing would face no such problem, as most SLAs have known spell levels and thus all you would need is GM permission to cast the SLA into the ring -- you do not need to exert further effort to figure out how it would work.