Why are antipaladins always evil?


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What if they're just misunderstood? Couldn't an antipaladin be neutral? Maybe they had good reasons to become puppy-kicking villains?

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I always thought that it was weird that paladins had to be lawful good. Especially when the code demands that all evil monsters be put to death immediately, whether they have committed a crime or not. Murder is murder, bro.


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Keep laughing, buddy, I'm going to Elysium when I pass.


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Dajur wrote:
I always thought that it was weird that paladins had to be lawful good. Especially when the code demands that all evil monsters be put to death immediately, whether they have committed a crime or not. Murder is murder, bro.

That is... just super not at all what the paladin code says


I mean, if being LG is to be taken at the primary thing of a paladin, one could make the point that its equal and opposite should be everything except LG.


Why is "A' always "A"?


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If the point of the thread is to suggest that the same reason should keep paladins LG only, note that there are LE and NE antipaladin archetypes already. Antipaladins being always evil only implies that paladins should be always good, not necessarily always LG.


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When I 1st heard there was such a thing as an anti-paladin. I figured they would be a CE barbarian type thing. Since that was the most opposite a paladin that I could think of. Even now I still feel like they should be forced to be CE otherwise they aren't really an "anti" paladin, they're just an evil paladin.

Now, as for the OP.

I agree, I mean alignment is just a state of mind. You should totally be allowed to be whatever alignment you want to be and still be an anti-paladin. I mean, what's wrong with being a LG person who just happens to be a harbinger of destruction and disease and likes to kick puppies for fun?


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This may be a bit off topic, but I would love to see some kind of Chaotic Neutral Paladin-like class devoted solely to the spreading of Chaos and the smiting of Law without regards to Good or Evil. And I could see that type of behavior working as an Antipaladin archetype.


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LordKailas wrote:

When I 1st heard there was such a thing as an anti-paladin. I figured they would be a CE barbarian type thing. Since that was the most opposite a paladin that I could think of. Even now I still feel like they should be forced to be CE otherwise they aren't really an "anti" paladin, they're just an evil paladin.

Now, as for the OP.

I agree, I mean alignment is just a state of mind. You should totally be allowed to be whatever alignment you want to be and still be an anti-paladin. I mean, what's wrong with being a LG person who just happens to be a harbinger of destruction and disease and likes to kick puppies for fun?

I mean, maybe the puppies had it coming?


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blahpers wrote:
I mean, maybe the puppies had it coming?

A paladin wearing a +1 holy blade boot and fighting hell hounds?


On a more serious note, I am confused why gods need to select between LG and CE for their "blessed/chosen bastion of selected deities virtues"

Its why I really, really like the Insinuator Antipaladin archetype and the attempt at the ex-paladin archetype known as the Vindictive Bastard. Neutral isn't just for Druids you know, there should be a neutral version of the "paladin" chassis more easily available.


Dajur wrote:
I always thought that it was weird that paladins had to be lawful good. Especially when the code demands that all evil monsters be put to death immediately, whether they have committed a crime or not. Murder is murder, bro.

Killing anything and everything that detects as evil is a good way to become an ex-paladin.

You don't get to go on a murder spree in the middle of town just because a few people aren't nice enough.

E.G.:
The local magistrate is a LN follower of Asmodius. He is both a man of high social status and considerable legal authority.

As a follower of Asmodius, he happens to radiate evil, though he is a (very) law abiding man. The very model of civic and moral authority.


MidsouthGuy wrote:
This may be a bit off topic, but I would love to see some kind of Chaotic Neutral Paladin-like class devoted solely to the spreading of Chaos and the smiting of Law without regards to Good or Evil. And I could see that type of behavior working as an Antipaladin archetype.

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Yeah, but some of those are full BAB with 6th level casting which is absurd. Can't trust the balance on anything made by someone who thinks Paladins should be even stronger.

Note, I do support Paladins of more/all alignments but for gods sake the current Chassis is powerful enough as is.

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