Enfeebled, Sluggish, STR & DEX based attacks


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The Conditions section can be reasonably read that Enfeebled ("... conditional penalty ... to attack rolls, damage rolls, and Strength-based checks") applies to all attacks, irrespective of whether melee/ranged/Finesse or not, and similarly Sluggish ("... conditional penalty ... to AC, attack rolls, Dexterity-based checks, and Reflex saves").

At first I thought this was loose language (i.e. Enfeebled should have specifically stated it applied only to STR-based attacks, and Sluggish to DEX-based attacks), then I decided it was a sensible simplification.

On reading through the spells though, the various Form spells take care to specify which stat they use (viz Aerial Form "... These are Dexterity-based (for the purpose of sluggish, for example)" and Animal Form "These are Strength-based (for the purpose of enfeebled, for example)") - this seems inconsistent with a RAW reading that Enfeebled and Sluggish apply to all attacks, irrespective of the ability modifier involved.

It seems that either the spells could be simplified, or that the conditions should specifiy STR- and DEX- based attacks. Presumably there's a similar case for Sluggish not Enfeebled applying to the Rogue's Dex to damage

Am I missing something?


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I don't think you're missing anything. I'd guess the spells reflect an earlier version of enfeebled/sluggish and should be updated (either simplified, or given different examples of why it matters).


Nope, I saw this same issue last night as well. Either the conditions used to affect only their stat attacks and it was changed and not everywhere was updated, or it's a typo and it's supposed to only be their stat attacks.

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