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I was building a character with mindset to GM a specific scenario to gain access to Orc Hornbow and go Arcane Archer PC. As last AR update, Orc Hownbow no longer counts as Longbow for feats and effects.
This will to some degree affect how I should build my character in the future, as well as made a question of a choice in my of bloodline. Mainly, I decided to forgo GMing the scenario, and not getting the Hornbow, but still go for arcane archer archetype with longbow.
So, a question, does this errata equipment change allow me to retrain my choices (basically, only bloodline) that i made with mindset of gaining hornbow?
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"Any effects that apply to both longbows and shortbows also apply to hornbows."
Is the removed sentence.
Maybe I'm missing something but
Arcane archer still requires weapon focus longbow or short bow. (just like it did before.)
Arcane archer doesn't care what kind of bow you're using.
It looks to me like before you got taxed a weapon focus, and after you got taxed a weapon focus and nothing has changed...
Regional Venture-Coordinator, Appalachia
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Before he wouldn't have been taxed weapon focus, his weapon focus longbow would apply to the horn bowThis is incorrect, I'm afraid. Weapon Focus (longbow) is not an effect that applies to "both longbows and shortbows". ^_^
What is the intended effect of this new ruling then?
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What is the intended effect of this new ruling then?Before he wouldn't have been taxed weapon focus, his weapon focus longbow would apply to the horn bowThis is incorrect, I'm afraid. Weapon Focus (longbow) is not an effect that applies to "both longbows and shortbows". ^_^
Only half orcs are automatically proficient with the weapons.
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What is the intended effect of this new ruling then?
I am left wondering the same thing. Elsewhere, Isabelle (who developed the Orc Hornbow) has said:
[...]"longbows and shortbows" was used to cover "bows that aren't crossbows". This is essentially a way of stealth-revising such elements to read "longbows, shortbows, and hornbows". It also acts as future-proofing - if a future game element refers to longbows and shortbows, this ensures that wielders of more obscure weapons aren't left out in the cold.
Deadeye Bowman is the only game element that comes to mind at the moment - and is the one that motivated the decision - but careful language such as this reduces the need to cover every available situation.
But, as Dark Deed observes, the "and" was (mistakenly?) switched for an "or" on the chronicle sheet, which makes this ruling all the more confusing.
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So for characters who have already purchased the hornbow off of the chronicle, is the only effect the need to retrain Weapon Focus(Longbow or Shortbow) to Weapon Focus(Hornbow)?
A quick survey of AoN says you will also want to avoid Elven Accuracy, Deadeye Bowman, Erastils Divine Fighting Technique, and Stabbing Shot.
My theory after reading things over is that this ruling may have been intended to correct the chronicles' "or" typo but really any sort of guidance would be appreciated.
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Even with the "and" wording, there were those out there claiming anything that worked for either longbows or short bows worked with the hornbow. I'd just take the clarification for what it says. In PFS, hornbows don't count as either longbows or shortbows for anything. It's disappointing for some builds, but much easier to interpret as a GM at the table.
Fortunately my hornbow user isn't affected, as I don't have anything that was long/shortbow specific.
Sorry, that I am a bit late to the party, but would a character using a Hornbow that has Weapon Focus with it qualify for Arcane Archer if he meets all other prerequisites?
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Sorry, that I am a bit late to the party, but would a character using a Hornbow that has Weapon Focus with it qualify for Arcane Archer if he meets all other prerequisites?
I'm afraid you would need to have Weapon Focus(longbow) for the PrC prerequisite and also Weapon Focus(orc hornbow) to satisfy other WF-dependent abilities, based on what I'm seeing.
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Sorry, that I am a bit late to the party, but would a character using a Hornbow that has Weapon Focus with it qualify for Arcane Archer if he meets all other prerequisites?
To get into Arcane Archer, you need Weapon Focus (Longbow) or Weapon Focus (Shortbow).
There's a disparity between the hornbow from the book, the hornbow after clarifications, and the hornbow on the chronicles:
Book: "Any effects that apply to both longbows and shortbows also apply to hornbows."
Clarification: scrap the previous sentence.
Chronicle: "Any effect that applies to longbows or shortbows also applies to orc hornbows."
You can argue about this. You can argue that the chronicle has a different sentence, that the clarification doesn't remove that sentence. You can argue that the chronicle is more specific than the clarification. Both of those seem in bad faith: the chronicle is the only way to get this bow in PFS so the clarification can only be meant to apply to this chronicle. Just, badly worded.
So end result: a hornbow is a bow, but not a longbow or a shortbow. An effect that would apply to a bow affects a hornbow, but if it specifically calls for longbows and/or shortbows it doesn't apply.
So the weapon focus you take to get into Arcane Archer doesn't help with hornbows. If you also took Weapon Focus (hornbow), that isn't sufficient to get you into Arcane Archer.
But the actual class abilities of arcane archers just rely on firing arrows, which the hornbow does. So you can do that.