Face it: Staff of the Magi are not staves, at all.

[Reksew_Trebla]

Arazni’s Staff of the Magi says

ASotM wrote:

This staff of the magi uses its wielder’s caster level, Intelligence modifier, and feats when determining its spells’ saving throws, rather than the set save DCs of a typical staff of the magi.

The rules for staves say

Staves wrote:

Staves use the wielder’s ability score and relevant feats to set the DC for saves against their spells. Unlike with other sorts of magic items, the wielder can use his caster level when activating the power of the staff if it’s higher than the caster level of the staff.

This means that Staff of the Magi having a set DC for spells is not a holdover from 3.5. They simply aren’t staves, and as such don’t use those rules.

[Honeybee]

Okay.

[DungeonmasterCal]

Confrontational much?

[Reksew_Trebla]

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

Confrontational much?

No? What makes you think so?

[Val'bryn2]

Congratulations. Maybe try reading the item, it is a holdover from previous editions, because the staff itself doesn't conform to the changed rules for staves. Such as the fact that it has 50 charges, not 10.

[Reksew_Trebla]

Val'bryn2 wrote:

Congratulations. Maybe try reading the item, it is a holdover from previous editions, because the staff itself doesn't conform to the changed rules for staves. Such as the fact that it has 50 charges, not 10.

Read the op. It proves you wrong.

[DungeonmasterCal]

Reksew_Trebla wrote:

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

Confrontational much?

No? What makes you think so?

Just came across that way to me. No worries.

[Reksew_Trebla]

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

Reksew_Trebla wrote:

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

Confrontational much?

No? What makes you think so?

Just came across that way to me. No worries.

It’s all good. :)

[Val'bryn2]

The staff fits all the criteria for staves from 3.5, from charges to save dcs, ergo it is a holdover, compared to the drastic changes that staves went through for PF. And what was the point of this? Really, I don't see how it matters.

And anyway, of course it isn't a staff, it's an artifact. They have their own rules.

[blahpers]

Val'bryn2 wrote:

And anyway, of course it isn't a staff, it's an artifact. They have their own rules.

Exactly this. Something like this isn't a magic item; it's a plot device.

[KahnyaGnorc]

from Merriam-Webster online:

Quote:

Definition of staff
plural staffs play \ˈstafs, ˈstavz\ or staves play \ˈstavz, ˈstāvz\
1 a : a long stick carried in the hand for support in walking
b : a supporting rod: such as (1) archaic : shaft 1a(1) (2) : a crosspiece in a ladder or chair : rung (3) : flagstaff (4) : a pivoted arbor
c : club, cudgel

Staff of the Magi sounds like a staff to me!