Paladin / Cleric of Irori and unarmed attacks question


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Do all unarmed strikes count as fists for the purpose of the Cleric/Paladin abilities that allow you to increase the damage die of a deity's simple favored weapon by 1 step? I'm specifically asking for the purpose of a Goblin Paladin of Irori with the Razor Teeth ancestry feat. A 1d8 weapon with no traits doesn't seem like too much compared to a 1d6 with agile, finesse, and nonlethal (which is what a fist on an Irori Paladin would be), but maybe the lack of needing a hand to use the teeth counts for more than I think. Though the book seems to indicate that you don't have to use your hands to attack with a "fist" so they've both got that perk.

I ask this for the aforementioned teeth which seems like a reasonable thing after being boosted though I do wonder if having unarmed strikes count for this boost would cause a problem with some of the Monk unarmed attacks (either by a Monk using Cleric multiclass or a Cleric doing the inverse if we get Monk multiclass at some point. Though again, I'm not sure if that would even be a problem. From what I remember of the Monk attacks none of them would break two handed martial weapon tier with a dice Increase, and while they have that hands-free advantage you're also paying in feats to get them.

Idk, the balance of it is debatable but I am curious if all unarmed attacks are supposed to qualify as a favored weapon for Irori, as well as whether or not they should.


I was just about to post this!

It all seems to fit. "Fists" (or Teeth) are simple weapons and are Irori's Favored Weapons. The Goblin Paladin I made up does a lot of damage with Handwraps, and also frees up the Paladin to using Lay on Hands w/o Warded Touch. I even checked the rules for Runes, and there are no rules against placing Runes on your Fists (or Teeth).

Definitely Rules as Written, might not be Rules as Intended.

Grand Lodge

Keep in mind that your lay on hands w/o warded touch has the manipulate trait and will provoke. I also built a Goblin Paladin of Irori though i haven't playtested him yet.

Liberty's Edge

That my friend is a question for a Priest of Irori, if an someone page James Jacobs, he could probably speak to this.

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