Exotic Weapons need to be worth 1 feat

[Frozen Yakman]

I'm going to make the argument that is the opposite of the traditional stance. The D&D 3e Spiked Chain was the only balanced PHB Exotic Weapon. All the other ones were under-powered. The exotic weapons in Pathfinder 1e were not feat-worthy and were under-powered. Looking at the ones in 2e, it looks like the same problem.

[The Systems Agnostic]

IF they are going to cost a feat, they should be as powerful as all those other amazing feats that could also be chosen.

BUT I think they should ditch the "exotic" terminology, nerf them very slightly down to "martial" levels, and just use the "uncommon" tag to make some of them more flavorful than others.

[Igor Horvat]

They should remove simple/martial/exotic categories all together.

the trained/expert/master/legendary scaling given from classes and maybe from feats in the future and investment in str/dex should be all qualification you need to use the weapon.

By having only 1 category and not 3 it's easier to balance the weapons and no need for 3 versions of "1H,sweep,versatile s/p" weapons. Just that one version.

[Darkorin]

Exotic Weapon shouldn't exist anymore, uncommon and rare rarity item have the same purpose and they even talked about how eastern weapons are now uncommon or rare instead of exotic.

I was really surprised when I saw that some previously exotic weapons became uncommon but others kept that exotic tag.

We now have 2 different systems saying the same thing, which is just weird.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Darkorin wrote:

Exotic Weapon shouldn't exist anymore, uncommon and rare rarity item have the same purpose and they even talked about how eastern weapons are now uncommon or rare instead of exotic.

I was really surprised when I saw that some previously exotic weapons became uncommon but others kept that exotic tag.

We now have 2 different systems saying the same thing, which is just weird.

You are misunderstanding what the two systems are supposed to do. The Common/Uncommon/Rare/Unique system is about the availability of the various weapons and items. The Simple/Martial/Exotic system is what determines which weapons are better than others.

A Longsword and Katana are both martial weapons and balanced that way, but their availability is different depending on location. In not!Europe the Longsword is common and the Katana is uncommon while in not!Japan the reverse would be true. The Katana is not a better weapon than the Longsword because it is uncommon.

The problem is that none of the 4 current exotic weapons are really as powerful as they should be considering the investment needed.

[Tyroki]

It just seems pointless to maintain the exotic weapon category.
Just an archaic concept at this point, and seldom ever worth the cost or bother.

[Matthew Morris]

Tyroki wrote:

It just seems pointless to maintain the exotic weapon category.

Just an archaic concept at this point, and seldom ever worth the cost or bother.

Helps to justify the racial feats?