An almost frightening question of wording regarding calculating your skills during character creation


Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Playtest Core Rulebook, page 15:
For the rest of your character’s skills, subtract the
proficiency modifer for being untrained (your level – 2)
from the relevant ability modifer, and record those totals
on the lines below the respective skill names.

take note:
subtract the proficiency modifer for being untrained (your level – 2)
from the relevant ability modifer

one more time:
untrained skill value = Modifier - (Level - 2)

If this is written as intended, it would imply that our untrained skills get progressively worse with each level. Is this the intent? Are my fears that PCs are inherently too good at everything at high levels allayed by the polar opposite being true for untrained skills?
Because it would be an excellent trolling of the player if this is the case. But something tells me this is not as intended.


I believe "(your level -2)" is a summary of what your modifier is, but the language could stand to be cleared up.

I would say the thing to make clear is that you always add your proficiency modifier, but your proficiency modifier may be negative if you are 1st level.


I'm not convinced there is any ambiguity, page 15 is just relating to character creation = it holds no implication beyond that.

Page 278 has the rules for advancement.


I understand proficiency this way:
(UTEML from now on instead of Untrained/Trained/Expert/Master/Legendary)

Level 1 proficiency modifiers
U = -1
T = 1
E = 2
M = 3
L = 4

Level 5 proficiency modifiers
U = 3
T = 5
E = 6
M = 7
L = 8

Looking on page 291 the example shows Calculating the Result and everything is an ADD and if you begin on 290 reading the whole part it even mentions that as you level up you are "getting better" so I assume it is an unfortunate wording on page 15.

Community / Forums / Archive / Pathfinder / Playtests & Prerelease Discussions / Pathfinder Playtest / Player Rules / Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells / An almost frightening question of wording regarding calculating your skills during character creation All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.
Recent threads in Skills, Feats, Equipment & Spells