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The intention, when writing Sisterhood Style, was that the targets would not need to meet the prerequisites.
As always, this isn't an official ruling, as I lack the authority to make such rulings. Merely an author's statement of intent. ^_^
It actually does work, even though it's a pretty weird case: First, granting the entire feat includes the prereqs. But, the relevant rule says "A character can’t use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself." (CRB pg. 112) Since the target never had the prereqs, they can't lose them.
@Isabelle: It would have been better to either say "As a swift action, you can grant that feat to an ally within 10 feet until the beginning of your next turn.", or explicitly say prereqs are ignored.
Oh, yeah, you're right. I didn't think about that, sorry.
Despite the author's intent, I would say that based on the wording of the tactician ability from the Cavalier (the original teamwork feat sharing ability) that you would need an explicit statement of not needing to meet the prereqs built in to the ability. At least from a a strict "Rules as Written" perspective. So lacking it would mean those granted the feat would need to meet the prereqs to make use of it.
At least from a a strict "Rules as Written" perspective. So lacking it would mean those granted the feat would need to meet the prereqs to make use of it.
Due to which rule?
There are plenty of classes and/or archetypes which give bonus feats without explicitly stating that you need to meet the prereqs.
At least from a a strict "Rules as Written" perspective. So lacking it would mean those granted the feat would need to meet the prereqs to make use of it.Due to which rule?
Prerequisites
Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.
A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables.
If you don't have the prereq, you can't use the feat, absent a special ability overriding this.
Feats general require you to meet their prerequisites for use.
If you don't meet their prerequisites, you can't use them.
Even if you grant the feat to your allies, if you don't allow them ignore the prereqs they would still need to meet them. The ability in question doesn't specify that they can ignore prereqs.
Prerequisites
Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.
There are plenty of classes and/or archetypes which give bonus feats without explicitly stating that you need to meet the prereqs.
They don't need to since the general rules tell you that you must.
There are plenty of classes and/or archetypes which give bonus feats without explicitly stating that you need to meet the prereqs.They don't need to since the general rules tell you that you must.
So I guess the True Silvered Throne Shaman doesn't get Ritual Hex since that's a 1st level ability for them and Ritual Hex requires 4 ranks in both Arcana and History? Warpriests don't get Weapon Focus since that requires +1 BAB and they have +0 BAB at 1st level.
So I guess the True Silvered Throne Shaman doesn't get Ritual Hex since that's a 1st level ability for them and Ritual Hex requires 4 ranks in both Arcana and History? Warpriests don't get Weapon Focus since that requires +1 BAB and they have +0 BAB at 1st level.There are plenty of classes and/or archetypes which give bonus feats without explicitly stating that you need to meet the prereqs.They don't need to since the general rules tell you that you must.
i don't think anyone said that. of course they get those feats. but since there's no text stating otherwise, according to the RAW, they can't use those feats until they meet the prerequisites.
So I guess the True Silvered Throne Shaman doesn't get Ritual Hex since that's a 1st level ability for them and Ritual Hex requires 4 ranks in both Arcana and History? Warpriests don't get Weapon Focus since that requires +1 BAB and they have +0 BAB at 1st level.There are plenty of classes and/or archetypes which give bonus feats without explicitly stating that you need to meet the prereqs.They don't need to since the general rules tell you that you must.
It's not a question of "get," it's a question of "can use."
The Warpriest's Weapon Focus not falling under their Bonus Feats ability was an authorial screwup. I've heard this has been officially clarified, but I don't know where (so it might not be true).
Bonus Feats: At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a warpriest gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be selected from those listed as combat feats. The warpriest must meet the prerequisites for these feats, but he treats his warpriest level as his base attack bonus (in addition to base attack bonuses gained from other classes and Hit Dice) for the purpose of qualifying for these feats. Finally, for the purposes of these feats, the warpriest can select feats that have a minimum number of fighter levels as a prerequisite, treating his warpriest level as his fighter level.
Ritual Hex: A true silvered throne gains Ritual Hex (see page 24) as a bonus feat.
I imagine the TSTS author thought that "bonus feat" has been defined to mean "one that you don't need prereqs for." They were wrong. Mistakes happen even in hardcovers, and the TSTS is from a splatbook, hence less edited (and not going to get errata'd).
i don't think anyone said that. of course they get those feats. but since there's no text stating otherwise, according to the RAW, they can't use those feats until they meet the prerequisites.So I guess the True Silvered Throne Shaman doesn't get Ritual Hex since that's a 1st level ability for them and Ritual Hex requires 4 ranks in both Arcana and History? Warpriests don't get Weapon Focus since that requires +1 BAB and they have +0 BAB at 1st level.There are plenty of classes and/or archetypes which give bonus feats without explicitly stating that you need to meet the prereqs.They don't need to since the general rules tell you that you must.
Exactly. In those cases they would have the feat, but be unable to use it (by strict rules). But much as Isabell has indicated here, that probably wasn't the intention.
So how it works depends on your GM and how they run things.
I'm not saying one interpretation is better than the other, just expressing that by the rules you wouldn't be able to use the feats, unless it was expressly mentioned you didn't need to meet the prereqs.
If you don't have the prereq, you can't use the feat, absent a special ability overriding this.
Ok, this is amberassing - I didn't see the "or use" part. My bad!
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If you don't have the prereq, you can't use the feat, absent a special ability overriding this.Ok, this is amberassing - I didn't see the "or use" part. My bad!
Hey, we're all human. We all make mistakes and miss things even when we're trying our best not to. Sometimes we fixate on one part of something and miss another. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
I blame the line break!
Well, can I at least be embarassed that apparently, I can't type "embarrassing"? ;-)