Mage Armor & Shield Spell

[WinterwolfNW]

I was always under the impression that both of these, being FORCE effects, applied to TOUCH armor class as well, especially since Shield spell blocks Magic Missile.
My local Event Co-coordinator has ruled otherwise, saying they ONLY block Incorporeal touch attacks but not others, like Ray of Frost, Acid Splash, Scorching Ray, Guns (point blank) etc.
I GM 3 Pathfinder home games as well, but before I switch tracks I'd like some other GM's to confirm the EC is right. I'm not really asking for an explanation, just for several other seasoned GM's to confirm what the EC decided...

[ekibus]

Just reading through the book there is nothing in there about it effecting touch AC maybe in 3.5

[Pink Dragon]

Your local event coordinator is correct. Armor and shield bonuses do not add to touch attack. But force effects are effective against incorporeal things trying to touch you.

[Gisher]

Pink Dragon wrote:

Your local event coordinator is correct. Armor and shield bonuses do not add to touch attack. But force effects are effective against incorporeal things trying to touch you.

Yep. And the Magic Missile thing isn't really relevant since Magic Missile doesn't use touch attack rolls.

[avr]

As it says in the spells (& did likewise in D&D 3.5):

shield wrote:

This bonus applies against incorporeal touch attacks, since it is a force effect.

mage armor wrote:

Since mage armor is made of force, incorporeal creatures can't bypass it the way they do normal armor.

A bonus vs. incorporeal touch only, not all touch attacks sorry.

[WinterwolfNW]

Well I appreciate all of your responses, but only 1 of you is a GM and that one is only a 1 Star GM.
I would really like to hear from some experienced GM's before making a decision.

[blahpers]

...What? GMs get stars? WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED

[Meirril]

WinterwolfNW wrote:

Well I appreciate all of your responses, but only 1 of you is a GM and that one is only a 1 Star GM.

I would really like to hear from some experienced GM's before making a decision.

If you want a PFS approved GM's answer, shouldn't you post in the PFS forum? Gisher, avr, blahpers are all frequent posters here and I believe they are highly respected. I've also been playing D&D since it was new, and Pathfinder for a good 6 years now. Everything said in this thread seems legit to me.

Also there isn't a single descending opinion posted. That says a lot. If someone made a mistake or there was any argument over the interpretation lots of people would be posting contrary opinions. Take a look at the thread on Hide From Undead vs Glitter Dust if you want to see what that is like.

[dragonhunterq]

PFS boards will just bat it straight back to rules. It is not PFS specific, it is a general rules question. One that has been adequately answered - avr even quoted the relevant rules. Incorporeal touch attacks only, not all touch attacks.

[Derklord]

Seriously? You try to add stuff not mentioned in the spells' descriptions, your EC says no, multiple long-time posters confirm it to be correct, and that's not good enough for you?

The spells don't say it get's added to (general) touch AC. This is literally everything you need to know.

[Java Man]

Outside of trolls or absolute new GMs with poor english, there will be ZERO posts different than what has been said.