Where's my Ninja ?!?


Pathfinder Adventure Card Game General Discussion


Oooh, I get it! She's a ninja, and so she's invisible and I never see her coming! Hahah. Hilarious, really. Seriously, though - where's my ninja?

I got my Ultimate Equipment deck, and wouldn't you know it - no Ninja in sight! So I counted my cards, and it turned out - in the "first" (Weapons, Spells, Armors, Items) of the two plastic wraps there were only 50 cards!

Since I don't believe I'm a unique snowflake, you guys might wanna look into that. If it's of any relevance:
- the last(?) 4 items in the wrap were wrapped *at the front* of the deck, before the weapons
- the last 4 or 5 cards in the wrap (2-3 armors and the *first* 2 items - Alchemist's Kit and Blue Star) were stuck together and required effort separating (incurring very minor damage to the surface/back of corresponding cards)

So, before I can get to Customer Support - I would have to ask the community for assistance. While 3 of my missing cards are Token, Character and Role for Reiko, there's no deck list to confirm the other missing 2. Since Items were spread both in front and back of the wrap, I'd assume they're the missing entries. Here's what I got:

- Alchemist's Kit
- Blue Star
- Compass
- Fireworks
- Noxious Bomb
- Pheromones

Which 2 cards am I missing?

As a bonus question - can anyone confirm if they also got a Straitjacket armor in their deck? I already have 2 of this (arguably crappy) armor from the Occult Decks, so I'm almost hoping for a misprint here...


Longshot11 wrote:

Since I don't believe I'm a unique snowflake, you guys might wanna look into that. If it's of any relevance:

- the last(?) 4 items in the wrap were wrapped *at the front* of the deck, before the weapons

I don't have my Ultimate Equipment deck yet (sometime this week, fingers crossed), but I'd just like to say that I've had that particular issue with the cards wrapped in such a way for at least 4 different class decks. I think Ultimate Equipment, Magus and Inquisitor, along with a handful of others. I became used it it as I opened more class decks, but I've never noticed missing cards - certainly not missing characters!

Secondly, there's Alchemist's Kit in Ultimate Equipment!? What the hell!? That means Skizza can use it and break the game again with "infinitely re-use any alchemical item he wants" from an empty hand whilst immune to damage. I just hope there's no Alchemical item that allows him to explore (Twitch Tonic, etc) in Ultimate Equipment. Or that Skizza's ability will get FAQed, I suppose. Or Alchemist's Kit itself.


Yewstance wrote:
Longshot11 wrote:
- the last(?) 4 items in the wrap were wrapped *at the front* of the deck, before the weapons
I don't have my Ultimate Equipment deck yet (sometime this week, fingers crossed), but I'd just like to say that I've had that particular issue with the cards wrapped in such a way for at least 4 different class decks.

I've had this too, with no missing cards either - but I thought I'd mention it in case it's related and/or helpful in tracking down the issue.

Yewstance wrote:
Secondly, there's Alchemist's Kit in Ultimate Equipment!? What the hell!? That means Skizza can use it and break the game again with "infinitely re-use any alchemical item he wants" from an empty hand whilst immune to damage.

Could you elaborate on that please? From what I see - Skizza will discard the AK to draw 1d4+1 of his discarded Alchemical Items (potentially including the AK itself). While admittedly powerful, it's not what I'd call game-breaking (indeed, short of an "infinite explores" Twitch Tonic!) ?

We do agree that you CANNOT discard AK to draw Items AND then using them during an encounter (so you can't use them "from empty hand" and you're not "invulnerable to damage"), right?


Looks like your missing
- BOARD GAME
- RINGS OF BONDAGE


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Longshot11 wrote:


Could you elaborate on that please? From what I see - Skizza will discard the AK to draw 1d4+1 of his discarded Alchemical Items (potentially including the AK itself). While admittedly powerful, it's not what I'd call game-breaking (indeed, short of an "infinite explores" Twitch Tonic!) ?
We do agree that you CANNOT discard AK to draw Items AND then using them during an encounter (so you can't use them "from empty hand" and you're not "invulnerable to damage"), right?

See: this thread.

To clarify; it's not infinite in the midst of an encounter, because you can't do something that isn't immediately relevant (and there's the one-per-card-type restriction anyway). But in between encounters...

The short of it is the following.

Skizza has Twitch Tonic and AK in hand. He displays AK, discards Twitch Tonic to explore. Worst-case scenario, generally; his entire hand is wiped from, I dunno, encountering a Combat 60 enemy.

He buries (using his ability to turn that into a discard) AK from display to draw 1d4+1 alchemical cards from his discard pile; meaning a minimum of 2 cards, so he can redraw Twitch Tonic and AK. He displays AK, then discards Twitch Tonic again, and repeat. With a 0 card hand he can explore infinitely, and never actually risks any more cards, including the 'combo' pieces unless a bane causes him to bury cards from his discard pile.

Even ignoring the whole '0 hand' thing, the issue is that since AK can draw itself back to its own hand with Skizza (and Skizza alone, of any character) as well as drawing Alchemical cards from your discard pile, means its trivial to infinitely combo off from.

Note that the reasoning that "AK can 'heal' itself, because it's discarded before the heal" is a long-running rule assumption that has never been officially challenged. See "Can Potion of Healing heal itself if you discard it" and "does S&S Damiel shuffle a Potion of Healing he uses on himself" and similar questions, where the general consensus has been "yes" and "yes".

The thing is, even aside from infinite combos, it still becomes "Skizza can use AK to draw AK+1 alchemical card from his discard pile", which means as long as he keeps only 1 alchemical card in his discard pile, Skizza can effectively say "I return AK to my hand to also draw this alchemical card from my discard pile". This basically turns any Alchemical card from having "Banish, Bury or Discard" effects into "Reveal" effects, because you get them back immediately after every encounter by exploiting AK.

Meanwhile, AK is never vulnerable, because during encounters it'll just be displayed, where no card can interfere with it. It's absurd.


Longshot11 wrote:


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So, before I can get to Customer Support - I would have to ask the community for assistance. While 3 of my missing cards are Token, Character and Role for Reiko, there's no deck list to confirm the other missing 2. Since Items were spread both in front and back of the wrap, I'd assume they're the missing entries. Here's what I got:

- Alchemist's Kit
- Blue Star
- Compass
- Fireworks
- Noxious Bomb
- Pheromones

Which 2 cards am I missing?

Here's the list of B items I have:

AK
Blue Star
Board Game
Compass
Firesticks
Noxious Bomb
Pheromones
Rings of Bondage
Staff of Minor Healing
Wandermeal

Longshot11 wrote:
As a bonus question - can anyone confirm if they also got a Straitjacket armor in their deck? I already have 2 of this (arguably crappy) armor from the Occult Decks, so I'm almost hoping for a misprint here...

I got it as well. It's not clear to me if this was intentional or if it should have been another B armor.


I have two sets. One is ok and other has missing cards and duplicates. Ninja is missing I have some armors doupled, some items doupled and so on... So there has been some jam in the packing/cutting machine.


Thank y'all for the input!


Thanks for bringing this up!
I haven't opened my last few decks yet due to time constraints, but it looks like I should take a look this evening to make sure everything's there. I'll give an update once I've done so.

I also encountered a subset of cards being stuck at the other end of the deck as well.

Lone Shark Games

Please work with Customer Service to get any such deck addressed. In the meantime, the blog post contains all of the Reiko information and here are the two cards you're missing, if I understand correctly:

Board Game
Item B
Object
Check to Acquire: Intelligence Knowledge 6

Reveal this card to shuffle any number of character decks and/or location decks, then you may recharge, discard, or bury this card.

Rings of Bondage
Item B
Accessory Magic Basic
Check to Acquire: Charisma Diplomacy 4

Reveal this card and recharge an ally to examine the top card of your location deck.


Keith Richmond wrote:
Please work with Customer Service to get any such deck addressed. In the meantime, the blog post contains all of the Reiko information and here are the two cards you're missing, if I understand correctly:

Thanks, Keith. I'll reach out to CS and thanks for the item quotes. Hope not too many decks have been affected.


There seems to be some collation issues with the printer recently - my Ultimate Intrigue deck is missing a Harrow Deck.

I'll also reach out to CS.


Not to raise a fuss (at all), but there's also been the issue of cards sticking together in the Ultimate Decks. (I've seen this in two Intrigue decks and one Equipment Deck.) The cards stick with enough strength that they're damage if they're separated. This usually only affects 4-5 cards in the deck, though.

Again, not a complaint in any way. CS has been great about replacing the damaged cards. Just something the printer should be aware of.

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