What other things count as substitutes for Improved Unarmed Strike?


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Scarab Sages

Does a natural slam attack count as equivalent to Improved Unarmed Strike with regard to qualifying for other feats? Does anything?

For context's sake, I was thinking that if it did, the Nightmare Fist feat might be great for my Shadow Caller Spiritualist's Shade down the line.

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Only one thing counts in that regard as far as I am aware (aside from the IUS feat itself), and that thing is the Tengu's alternate racial trait Claw Attack:

claw attack wrote:
Tengus with this racial trait have learned to use their claws as natural weapons. They gain two claw attacks as primary natural attacks that deal 1d3 points of damage, and are treated as having the Improved Unarmed Strike feat for the purpose of qualifying for other feats. This racial trait replaces swordtrained.

A slam or other natural attack is not an unarmed strike.


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As far as I understand the rules, you need Feral Combat Training if you want to use improved unarmed strike feats with natural weapons.

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pjrogers wrote:
As far as I understand the rules, you need Feral Combat Training if you want to use improved unarmed strike feats with natural weapons.

That ought to work. The Shade would need Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Focus (slam), Feral Combat Training (slam), and could then take Nightmare Fist (assuming it met the other prerequisites) and benefit from that feat when using its slam attack (or its unarmed strike).


Dirty Fighting counts as Improved Unarmed Strike for meeting prerequisites of other feats and abilities.

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VoodistMonk wrote:
Dirty Fighting counts as Improved Unarmed Strike for meeting prerequisites of other feats and abilities.

There's a restriction. It only counts "for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites of the various improved combat maneuver feats, as well as feats that require those improved combat maneuver feats as prerequisites." So no good for Nightmare Fist. Still a good feat though.


Ascetic style & successors can make a weapon usable with unarmed feats, which might be what you're after; I'm not sure.

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