Other Classes and Races in Pathfinder Second Edition


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One feature I really enjoy, is the customization options given to you in all the different source books, player companions, and the like. Do you think in Pathfinder Second Edition they will bring back base and hybrid classes, (Inquisitor, Summoner, Arcanist, etc.) and featured races (Drow, Tiefling, etc.)? I would also enjoy seeing the return of archetypes and subclasses. All these options is what brought me into Pathfinder, and seeing them not in the new edition will make me very sad. What do you guys think about it?


As much as folks like to trumpet the death of many PF1 classes, I expect to see at least the APG stuff move forward.


I think the hybrid classes are dead and will mostly be folded into other classes. I think everything else will ultimately come back.

I hope to see all of the popular races return in the APG. And I'm still futilely advocating 12 races for the CRB to go with the 12 classes :p

Liberty's Edge

I think Paizo aims at enabling all PF1 character concepts (or at least the most popular) in PF2

But that does not necessarily entails duplicating all classes if core classes in PF2 are already enough to build the concepts


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I agree with all of you.

Plus, if you think about it, you could just homebrew the class that isn't in the game.


Depends on how multiclassing works out and whether or not Paizo wants to focus on fully fleshed archetypes rather than new classes. I could see investigator and shaman making their way in because they're both pretty unique despite being a combination of two other classes, possibly brawler due to the unique nature of its defining ability.


Races are easy to convert. Take the current writeup, give them an extra +2 to something. Remove all of their racial traits that aren't speed, size, vision. Give them some hit points (look at the core races and give them an amount that is equal to whichever race they are conceptually closest to) and then boost 2 or 3 of their racial traits until they're equal to a feat.

I'm sure plenty of 3PPs will be more than happy to assist with the above if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself.

Classes are a whole another matter. With the complete removal of backwards compatibility there are no easy conversions you can do. I'd be looking at whatever class features are closest to a feat in terms of power level and then making them either class feats for one of the pre-existing classes or a theme. The biggest trouble will be in classes that completely break the mold in terms of how they're structured compared to the new unified structure. I wouldn't be holding my breath on them getting an official Paizo writeup (except maybe Kineticist?). 3PP's may get to it for you eventually. Or they may not.

Liberty's Edge

With the extra classes established, the base classes could be designed to have archetypes that match many secondary classes.
The rogue could easily have the investigator, the fighter could have the gunslinger and cavalier, the bardbarian has the bloodrager, the monk a brawler archetype, the bard has the skald, and so on.
We don’t need the 35 classes of PF1.

Races are easier, having less of a bloat effect and impact on the game.
The elemental races could probably be combined into one geniekin race.


No Changelings, no purchase.

In all seriousness I certainly think they're going to stat out most of the non-core races from PF1 since they're already a part of the lore, APs, etc. and we know most of that isn't changing.

Liberty's Edge

They've stated that they want to make all then options you had in PF1 available within the first few years (note that they want to, not promise to).

That doesn't necessarily mean we'll get all the same Classes back (the Swashbuckler may be unnecessary if the Fighter and Rogue can do that Archetype well enough, or the Gunslinger may be an Archetype for any Class, or multiclassing Barbarian and Sorcerer may be viable making Bloodrager superfluous) but the more unique ones should be back, and we should get most Races as Ancestries.

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