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One question on filling out the chronicle sheet, more for consistency than anything else.
Regarding the Reputation section of the chronicle sheet (the bottom), the Guild Guide says:
"Each player should also list the factions for which her character earned Reputation during the adventure (V) and her current Reputation with those factions (W)."
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"repeat this process for the character’s Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X)."
So initial (pre-adventure) reputation for a faction goes on the left side of the slash.
Should the right side of the slash be the reputation earned for that faction during the adventure or should it be the final reputation (initial + earned) for that faction (akin to the Initial and Current Prestige fields on the PFS chronicle)?
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I've been writing the awarded amount on the line eg, "Wayfinders +2".
Though we still have a consistency issue with different GMs. Last night I had to help a player who had everything from no reputation specified at all to one with Fame "3" on #1-04 (which I assumed the GM intended Exo-Guardians +1 reputation, since he's playing a Dataphile).
I'm strongly in favor of reworking the reputation section on chronicle sheets for season 2. Something as simple as text below the lines and adding a box for the award with GM initials would clean this up.
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So you skipped the WHOLE STEP 3 process.
Step 3: Determine how much Fame the character earned over the course of the scenario. A character can typically earn a maximum of 2 Fame per scenario; 1 Fame for each success condition completed. Enter the number of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. Repeat this process for the character’s Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X). If the character gained any Infamy during the session, record the Infamy gained on the Infamy line (Y).
It clearly states enter the amount of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. THEN IT STATES Repeat this process for the characters Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X).
Nothing states to actually record the FINAL reputation. You are repeating the steps that you did before and UPDATING the field to reflect what you did.
I agree with you Arc Riley. It needs to be cleared up. I will bring this up with Thurston.
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I don't think anyone is skipping entering fame, but also, no PFS or SFS GM I know actually follows the steps in the guild guide. Frankly I can't even imagine the complex handshake of paperwork being passed around the table to involve players in this process. I can barely keep up with Alien Archive boons being handed to me as it is.
This is my personal process;
I start at home with Inkscape and apply a template to the chronicle sheet from the scenario with the bottom line filled out. The result looks like this (low-res to prevent misuse of my sig) http://atum.sheut.net/ExampleChronicleSheet.png
Note errata is applied as appropriate, such as #1-01 has old credits crossed out, corrected credits next to it, and "errata https://goo.gl/SJVURH" under it. I never to modify the original sheet, only write over it as needed.
At the end of the scenario I go through each player according to their order on the sign-up sheet starting with their character # and faction at the top. XP #, initial, Fame #, initial. Credits, initial, Dayjob, initial. Cross out any boons they didn't earn.
Then at the bottom I put whatever faction they checked on the sign-up sheet down with "+" and whatever fame was awarded, eg, "Wayfinders +2". If they earned additional reputation that's recorded in the same way, and then I put a slash through the unused reputation.
Players usually dart out as soon as they get their sheets, but at home they'll record their past and new totals for XP, Fame, Credits, and Reputation.
In short the feedback I'm offering is to eliminate the step-by-step process in the guild guide entirely, especially with letter labels over each box. I've assembled Ikea furniture with easier directions.
Instead show a single image for what a filled-out chronicle sheet looks like. Maybe a short checklist - Character#, XP, Fame, Credits, Dayjob, Reputation, Infamy, cross out unearned boons, and fill out the bottom grey box.
I can't imagine anyone being unhappy with a chronicle sheet filled out in this manner. The problem is the directions are so complicated that GMs aren't even doing this correctly.
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I’ve been using a “tough love” strategy in SFS. I figure that if the players learn the process at the beginning of the campaign it will make things much easier long-term.
So I hand out blank chronicle sheets at the end. I tell the players what to fill out, then I fill out my parts. It’s been pretty easy with brand new players. I just have to help them understand where to find the info. It’s the long-time PFS players who are the PitAs. “I don’t have up-to-date numbers for that stuff. Can’t you just sign it and I’ll do it later?” “No, because if you really were doing it later you would have those numbers. I can wait for you to fill out the previous chronicles.”
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So you skipped the WHOLE STEP 3 process.
Step 3: Determine how much Fame the character earned over the course of the scenario. A character can typically earn a maximum of 2 Fame per scenario; 1 Fame for each success condition completed. Enter the number of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. Repeat this process for the character’s Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X). If the character gained any Infamy during the session, record the Infamy gained on the Infamy line (Y).
It clearly states enter the amount of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. THEN IT STATES Repeat this process for the characters Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X).
I agree with you Arc Riley. It needs to be cleared up. I will bring this up with Thurston.
Sure, it says 'repeat,' but you're then working with a very different field (W&X vs. L) so the 'repeat' isn't really clear. If you stuck too hard to that 'repeat' you'd be trying to initial next to each field in X (because that's part of the process they're telling you to repeat).
Getting it clarified is a good idea. Hence the question in the first place.
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Please read what is written. You are leaving out text again.
You repeat the process you just did. There clearly isn't a box to initial, so therefore you can't complete that part of the process. So it is skipped. This is standard form filling rules. Repeat is clear on what you do.
Step 3 clearly states enter the number of Fame Earned in the shaded Fame Gained field and initial the adjacent box. Repeat this process and update the field for each appropriate faction.
That is PRETTY CLEAR WHAT TO DO. You repeat what you just did except with the factions. But wait their is no box to initial so you can't initial it, so it is skipped. The wording in this box is pretty clear.
The intent isn't as clear. There is difference. I feel if they wanted you to put the FINAL, then would have stated Final somewhere in there or told you to add the 2 values.
Also in some scenarios you actually get different amounts of Reputation. So putting the amount of Reputation they earned MAKES MORE SENSE then the final. I have actually asked several people who don't play RPGs. Majority (not all) 90% agree that what i have stated makes more sense. Why would you come and change the way things are done anyways? We have always done it that way. We have done it that way since SFS was released.
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For consistency, the reputation and infamy section should require the modifier and initial. It'd be useful if there was only one blank Reputation line, and up to two more already filled out for scenario factions. "0" or a strike could be put in those lines and initialed.
As it stands, unless the GM draws a big strike through unused reputation lines, the only thing stopping players from cheating by adding in faction reputation they didn't earn is the reporting database. But since the reporting database is filled with missing or incorrect data nobody would ever call them on it.
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Personally, I'd like a Reputation Tracking Sheet for SFS, which can serve as a space to track your current Reputation for factions, as well as current Infamy. I'd be good with having the log sheet list how much Rep was gained in a mod, but tracking Rep on a separate sheet makes it easier to see how much Rep has with all of the factions at once, rather than go through their log sheets to find out when they gained Dataphiles influence last, for example.
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Personally, I'd like a Reputation Tracking Sheet for SFS, which can serve as a space to track your current Reputation for factions, as well as current Infamy. I'd be good with having the log sheet list how much Rep was gained in a mod, but tracking Rep on a separate sheet makes it easier to see how much Rep has with all of the factions at once, rather than go through their log sheets to find out when they gained Dataphiles influence last, for example.
There are player-made sheets available to do all this and more...
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There are similar PDF-fillable also available that has a page for tracking SFS faction. It can be found here.
I use this sheet, even though I created a PDF-fillable character sheet because I like it better.
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Cheaters will Cheat. They will be exposed if anyone cares enough to notice that a 3rd level character has 2 factions at Tier 2 and another at Tier 1. And still have over 15 or so Fame.
This is a major reason I'd like the reporting database to get fixed into a usable form and, ideally, character history publicly available.
The database still doesn't recognize repeatable scenarios for players or GMs, fame cannot be properly reported for APs, there's no way to force correct values in to account for faction or GM replay boons, etc.
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Cheaters will Cheat. They will be exposed if anyone cares enough to notice that a 3rd level character has 2 factions at Tier 2 and another at Tier 1. And still have over 15 or so Fame.
This is a major reason I'd like the reporting database to get fixed into a usable form and, ideally, character history publicly available.
The database still doesn't recognize repeatable scenarios for players or GMs, fame cannot be properly reported for APs, there's no way to force correct values in to account for faction or GM replay boons, etc.
I hear you. The reporting database, I don't think, was not intended for the purpose many of us wish it could do. Thus the need to keep paper.
It will take a major re-write. Something I don't see happening.
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It will take a major re-write. Something I don't see happening.
I don't know if we can say that without seeing the code, but also the functionality currently provided is so minimal it might as well be rewritten.
A few fixes, like changing a "4" to a "5" for maximum fame could be done in under 15 minutes. That even this small bug has remained unresolved for over 6 months tells me there's simply nobody to work on it.
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Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen. You don't want someone's stalker ex seeing that they've been playing bi weekly like clockwork at the Goblins Den.If that were true, Warhorn wouldn't exist. This is what online privacy policies are for.
That's not how either of those work.
The entire idea of a PFS number being able to be looked up by anyone means you're trackable. Shifting your user name would defeat the purpose. Warhorn doesn't have a tracking system for anyone's events except the user and if it did, you could have a new account in 2 minutes.
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The problem with doing it that way is that you need to know the accumulated Reputation your character has for the All Factions Boons. So you need to track your ongoing Reputation every Chronicle.
I write mine in the bottom margin right now, but it just seems like adding a couple more lines wouldn't be that difficult.