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Magical darkness, by definition, is simply darkness created by the use of magic.
Supernatural darkness is basically an extra level of darkness where darkvision stops working - only a few powers let people see through it.
They are related but explicitly separate things.
Thank you for this reply. I'm glad someone else agrees, because based on what I've read in PF, our take on it is supported consistently throughout the texts. But I was getting a lot of flack for being the only person to think so in a FB group
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I'd suggest pointing them to the text of the Deeper Darkness spell, where the nature of supernatural darkness is made more explicit. ^^ Specifically, this bit:
This spell functions as darkness, except that objects radiate darkness in a 60-foot radius and the light level is lowered by two steps. Bright light becomes dim light and normal light becomes darkness. Areas of dim light and darkness become supernaturally dark. This functions like darkness, but even creatures with darkvision cannot see within the spell’s confines.
Ah dang, that's a bit of evidence I missed. But their assumption was that "supernatural" is synonymous with "magic" in reference to darkness, so idk if they'd see that. I probably won't go back to argue with them because I need a break after getting dogpiled by all that wrongness
The inside cover of Blood of Shadows spelled out the five light conditions (bright, normal, dim, dark, supernaturally dark) if you can get a copy.
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The inside cover of Blood of Shadows spelled out the five light conditions (bright, normal, dim, dark, supernaturally dark) if you can get a copy.Exactly, but the people I was talking to elsewhere were under the misapprehension that "supernaturally dark" was exactly the same as "magical darkness"
Elsewhere in the rules "supernatural" does mean "magical", so the confusion is understandable. With darkness, it works differently.
Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.
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Ah dang, that's a bit of evidence I missed. But their assumption was that "supernatural" is synonymous with "magic" in reference to darkness, so idk if they'd see that. I probably won't go back to argue with them because I need a break after getting dogpiled by all that wrongnessI'd suggest pointing them to the text of the Deeper Darkness spell, where the nature of supernatural darkness is made more explicit. ^^ Specifically, this bit:
This spell functions as darkness, except that objects radiate darkness in a 60-foot radius and the light level is lowered by two steps. Bright light becomes dim light and normal light becomes darkness. Areas of dim light and darkness become supernaturally dark. This functions like darkness, but even creatures with darkvision cannot see within the spell’s confines.
Entirely OT, but I looked at your profile and you have characters as "aliases"? Are those PFS registered characters or some kind of online play here on the messageboards?
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The inside cover of Blood of Shadows spelled out the five light conditions (bright, normal, dim, dark, supernaturally dark) if you can get a copy.Exactly, but the people I was talking to elsewhere were under the misapprehension that "supernaturally dark" was exactly the same as "magical darkness"Elsewhere in the rules "supernatural" does mean "magical", so the confusion is understandable. With darkness, it works differently.
Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.
Even then, Supernatural is a subset of magic.
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Most of my aliases are for online play here on the messageboards. It helps with things like seeing stats and quickly getting to someone's character sheet. ^^
Could you point me in the direction of where to start doing that? I've been dying for more RP lately. Probably how I ended up arguing about darkness in the first place.
All supernatural darkness is magical, not all magical darkness is supernatural.
Supernatural darkness cannot be seen through by Darkvision.
Regular magical darkness can be seen through by Darkvision.
Supernatural darkness occurs when deeper darkness (or a similar effect which specifically mentions it) lowers the light level from dim light or darkness.
Right but that's not Darkvision, that's See in Darkness which is a different ability. Usually accompanied by also having regular Darkvision.
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Supernatural Darkness (as far as I've seen) is ALWAYS magical darkness.
Magical darkness is not necessarily Supernatural Darkness.
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Abilities that can see in supernatural darkness are explicitly called out as such (usually with text along the lines of "such as darkness created by a Deeper Darkness spell").
@Josie: Click "Messageboards" at the stop of the screen, then scroll most of the way down to find the online gaming section. There are forums for recruitment threads, gameplay, and discussion, as well as an online gaming discussion area with some great guides.
Awesome, thank you.