Student of War + Artful Dodge


Rules Questions


Hello all, I wanted to check something.

So I was building a student of war, when I realized the DEX requirement for dodge. I figured a quick fix was the feat Artful Dodge, but I need to double check this.

Artful Dodge wrote:
Special: The Artful Dodge feat acts as the Dodge feat for the purpose of satisfying prerequisites that require Dodge.

So artful dodge lets you skip dodge as a prerequisite for feats. Is it just feats? Can I use this to fulfill the requirements for student of war? Or is it only feats?

Thanks for the help.


just feats.


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Chess Pwn wrote:
just feats.

It doesn't say that though, at least not the way I read it. "prerequisites that require Dodge" covers Feat chains, but also Prestige Classes.


Is the word "prerequisites" only for feats?


MageHunter wrote:
Is the word "prerequisites" only for feats?

Yes. That is the issue. PrC's have requirements but only feats have prerequisites currently.


Bladelock wrote:
MageHunter wrote:
Is the word "prerequisites" only for feats?
Yes. That is the issue. PrC's have requirements but only feats have prerequisites currently.

The two words are synonyms.

Lacking Pathfinder specific definitions, they are interchangeable.


Volkard Abendroth wrote:
Bladelock wrote:
MageHunter wrote:
Is the word "prerequisites" only for feats?
Yes. That is the issue. PrC's have requirements but only feats have prerequisites currently.

The two words are synonyms.

Lacking Pathfinder specific definitions, they are interchangeable.

You might be correct that they are used as words rather than rule terms however due to the placement of the text I would err on the side of them being terms rather than synonymous words. Definitely hope you are right here and my caution is unneeded. Would make for some interesting options.


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Fighter Bonus Feats wrote:
The old feat cannot be one that was used as a prerequisite for another feat, prestige class, or other ability.


Avoron wrote:
Fighter Bonus Feats wrote:
The old feat cannot be one that was used as a prerequisite for another feat, prestige class, or other ability.

Nice find!!


VRMH wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:
just feats.
It doesn't say that though, at least not the way I read it. "prerequisites that require Dodge" covers Feat chains, but also Prestige Classes.

My mistake. I assumed his quote of "So artful dodge lets you skip dodge as a prerequisite for feats." was true when it seems like it is not. If it was true that it said for feats then it was for feats only. Since it's lacking that yes, it's all things that require dodge.

Shadow Lodge

If a feat in the chain after Dodge lists a Dex score minimum you still need to meet that minimum.

Scarab Sages

That's the main function of Artful Dodge, though. To let you use INT instead of DEX.

"You can use Intelligence, rather than Dexterity, for feats with a minimum Dexterity prerequisite."

EDIT: I should say most useful function. The main function is probably technically the AC bonus. But the real power of the feat is using INT to meet DEX prereqs. Counting as Dodge is just a bonus.


Perfect! Thanks for the help!

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