UMD abuse


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So my level 6 investigator had a 18 in umd and I know my damage might start to lash down the road. Curious since you can emulate a class ability I could technically be able to emulate a class like skald to be able to use like furious and bloodsong out no? Sorry on three phone during break

Shadow Lodge

If an item called for you to use a round of performance, yes.

3.5 gave an example of a rogue using UMD on a holy item, emulating Channel Energy to turn regular water into holy water. The rogue could not, later on, Channel Energy to Turn Undead.


Right so say I need to rage to activate furious, could I then emulate the rage you gain the +2?


emulating the class feature and using the class feature are different.

If something said, "for characters with the rage ability this does X"
then you can pretend to have the rage ability for that.
Since furious says, "while raging", you can't fake that, you're either raging or not and it doesn't care if you have the rage feature or not.


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ekibus wrote:
Right so say I need to rage to activate furious, could I then emulate the rage you gain the +2?

Nope. Pretty sure Dragon’s wrong for Pathfinder. All it allows you to do is lie to an item. If the item requires you to have a Bard’s performance ability, you can tell it you have that. If it asks you to spend a round of that to do something, you can’t do that- you have no rounds. If it treats you as four levels higher for performance, that doesn’t do anything- you don’t have any levels to improve. You can’t grant your allies a bonus, just lie to an item. Now, if the item gives anybody with performance a +3 on charisma checks, you can get that by lying to the item with UMD. That’s it.


Ah so not much I could use to increase my offense in weapons then


ekibus wrote:
Ah so not much I could use to increase my offense in weapons then

Correct.

Shadow Lodge

Hmm. It's no in the d20srd for 3.5 so I guess I was wrong. Either that or it's in the book and didn't get put on the site. I stand corrected.

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