The Death of Aroden...


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Paizo have stated that they're never going to tell anyone how Aroden actually died. Okay.

But they do have a concrete explanation for how he died in the back of their minds...

So here's what I'm wondering...

Have Pathfinder's writers and publishers been leaving subtle hints and breadcrumbs throughout their published products? Like a jigsaw puzzle of seemingly disparate parts, rumors, myths and facts which are only visible once you line up all the pieces correctly?

For example, is it possible to draw any conclusions by comparing different regional timelines side by side? Immediately after Aroden's death, the Worldwound swallowed Sarkoris, and a continent sized hurricane separated the colony of Sargava from its mother nation of Cheliax.

These are merely surface level observations, are there other, perhaps less obvious effects and events that are tied to Aroden's death that help fill in the blanks surrounding his demise?


what if he's not dead, he is that thalosian's deity's prisoner and is unable to answer prayers or anything.

thus Pharasma cant say anything about his death.....

or it would if it was canon which it isnt.

but, there was breadcrumbs left behind in that part of notes that paizo


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Now don't take this as gospel, but if memory serves, while they do have an internal explanation, it's been said by one writer that the intention isn't for the readership to be able to piece together the Paizo's internal explanation.

Rather, they have an internal explanation so that, if it ever did get out what happened to Aroden, everything else that might have been published that's related to Aroden's death will fit. If someone is able to use what's known to extrapolate Paizo's internal explanation, that would be coincidental, and not intentional – at least on the part of the writer who spoke on the subject.

I hope I'm remembering right, and it may be that this is only the intention of the particular writer who spoke to the subject, rather than the Paizo-wide intent, but I haven't seen any Paizo writer say that they're doling out breadcrumbs with the intent of letting some clever segment of the audience to tease out Paizo's internal explanation.

Acquisitives

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
halfdragon62 wrote:

Paizo have stated that they're never going to tell anyone how Aroden actually died. Okay.

But they do have a concrete explanation for how he died in the back of their minds...

So here's what I'm wondering...

Have Pathfinder's writers and publishers been leaving subtle hints and breadcrumbs throughout their published products? Like a jigsaw puzzle of seemingly disparate parts, rumors, myths and facts which are only visible once you line up all the pieces correctly?

For example, is it possible to draw any conclusions by comparing different regional timelines side by side? Immediately after Aroden's death, the Worldwound swallowed Sarkoris, and a continent sized hurricane separated the colony of Sargava from its mother nation of Cheliax.

These are merely surface level observations, are there other, perhaps less obvious effects and events that are tied to Aroden's death that help fill in the blanks surrounding his demise?

there's lots of little things that happened at the same time that Aroden died, and there's some things (past and present) which might be related.

So... there's stuff, but there's no bread crumbs, really.


Legends say that the book of the damned holds the truth if you are willing to face unspeakable evils and the loss of your sanity.

To confirm, I am still sane, but all the book says is that the death of certain gods can be gleaned from reading the book of the damned. A bit meta I know.

There are theories that involve the disappearance of Golarion, or the eye of Abendengo.

My personal favorite theory is that Iomedae fell, and he caught her.

Acquisitives

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
MageHunter wrote:

Legends say that the book of the damned holds the truth if you are willing to face unspeakable evils and the loss of your sanity.

To confirm, I am still sane, but all the book says is that the death of certain gods can be gleaned from reading the book of the damned. A bit meta I know.

There are theories that involve the disappearance of Golarion, or the eye of Abendengo.

My personal favorite theory is that Iomedae fell, and he caught her.

mine is that his last words were "Hold my beer! Watch this!" and Caiden is still holding his beer.


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My preferred explanation is that he foresaw some prophecy that would doom humanity, and he was pivotal in it, so he killed himself to try to avert it. So far it seems to be working.

It's also set the world on the course for Rovagug to emerge, or at least that'll happen if ever I get a chance to script a Paizo AP.


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halfdragon62 wrote:

Paizo have stated that they're never going to tell anyone how Aroden actually died. Okay.

But they do have a concrete explanation for how he died in the back of their minds...

So here's what I'm wondering...

Have Pathfinder's writers and publishers been leaving subtle hints and breadcrumbs throughout their published products? Like a jigsaw puzzle of seemingly disparate parts, rumors, myths and facts which are only visible once you line up all the pieces correctly?

For example, is it possible to draw any conclusions by comparing different regional timelines side by side? Immediately after Aroden's death, the Worldwound swallowed Sarkoris, and a continent sized hurricane separated the colony of Sargava from its mother nation of Cheliax.

These are merely surface level observations, are there other, perhaps less obvious effects and events that are tied to Aroden's death that help fill in the blanks surrounding his demise?

There's another thread regarding this where the creators basically laid out that there are hints in the lore, but probably not enough to figure it out. They definitely know what happened, and are making sure nothing contradicts it so we're never mislead.


halfdragon62 wrote:

Immediately after Aroden's death, the Worldwound swallowed Sarkoris, and a continent sized hurricane separated the colony of Sargava from its mother nation of Cheliax.

These are merely surface level observations, are there other, perhaps less obvious effects and events that are tied to Aroden's death that help fill in the blanks surrounding his demise?

I'm currently trying to put together a list of stuff that happened because of Aroden's death (I can't seem to find a pre-existing list)

So far I have:

-The Eye of Abendego

-The Worldwound

-The Echo of Lost Divinity (conjecture, but I'm trying to be as inclusive as possible)

-Iomedae's Ascension

-The Shatterfield

-The Blackrose Gardens

Anyone care to add to the list?

Sczarni

Prophecy/long term divination stopped working


The Worldwound didn't occur until a little after Aroden's death and the reasons behind it have already been explained.


Ianesta wrote:
The Worldwound didn't occur until a little after Aroden's death and the reasons behind it have already been explained.

Where is it explained?

One of the wikis has it as Aroden's death causing a change in the alignment of the planes, making the planar boundary thinner there, allowing it to be created.


vagabond_666 wrote:
halfdragon62 wrote:

Immediately after Aroden's death, the Worldwound swallowed Sarkoris, and a continent sized hurricane separated the colony of Sargava from its mother nation of Cheliax.

These are merely surface level observations, are there other, perhaps less obvious effects and events that are tied to Aroden's death that help fill in the blanks surrounding his demise?

I'm currently trying to put together a list of stuff that happened because of Aroden's death (I can't seem to find a pre-existing list)

So far I have:

-The Eye of Abendego

-The Worldwound

-The Echo of Lost Divinity (conjecture, but I'm trying to be as inclusive as possible)

-Iomedae's Ascension

-The Shatterfield

-The Blackrose Gardens

Anyone care to add to the list?

Lung Wa collapsed due to disasters related to his death. Amanandar's fleet was "cast about in storms before eventually landing in Tian Xia" enough to cross a jagged, impassable coastline and two thirds a continent and land in Shenmen, which only has ports on a sea even further away.


vagabond_666 wrote:
Ianesta wrote:
The Worldwound didn't occur until a little after Aroden's death and the reasons behind it have already been explained.

Where is it explained?

One of the wikis has it as Aroden's death causing a change in the alignment of the planes, making the planar boundary thinner there, allowing it to be created.

Quote:
After 6 years of labor, Areelu, having recruited the aid of two other powerful arcane spellcasters and fellow prisoners under false pretenses of escaping, finally managed to open the destructive rift that would become the Worldwound. On the other side, Deskari used his scythe Riftcarver to widen the hole, beginning a chain reaction of devastation that saw the destruction of central Sarkoris and the rise of the Worldwound. Many scholars have theorized about the significance of this event’s timing, as the Worldwound opened only weeks after the death of Deskari’s old enemy Aroden, yet to date no evidence that this convergence of events was anything more than coincidence has surfaced.

From the final adventure in the Wrath of the Righteous adventure path.


deuxhero wrote:


Lung Wa collapsed due to disasters related to his death. Amanandar's fleet was "cast about in storms before eventually landing in Tian Xia" enough to cross a jagged, impassable coastline and two thirds a continent and land in Shenmen, which only has ports on a sea even further away.

Dragon Empires Gazetteer makes it sound like that was what Amanandar basically intended to do, and she did it in spite of the storms, not because of it. The Sea of Ghosts isn't land locked or anything, and the Gazetteer is pretty explicit that she sailed around the bottom of Tian Xia and approached from the other side.

I'll buy that the collapse of Lung Wa allowed her to take over what is now Amanandar, but I'm not seeing anything about her boat being carried there via a route that would otherwise be impossible due to Aroden's death storms.

Is there another source that gives a different interpretation?


The Gazetteer said that? Hmm.

So it does. Missed that bit.

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