The Grand Librarian, Master of Knowledge build


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Grand Lodge

I'm considering this as possibly a PC build... Though more likely she will be an NPC and have her used by being in charge of some great library yet have it be a massive dungeon with many levels.

That the lower you go, the more difficult the journey gets to the point where it's very much advised to have a guide go into its lower archives with the party. What this character being the one in charge, who knows or can learn just about anything needed and knowing the library better then anyone else. Though slow to give such knowledge or aid without certain tests being pasted by those who come to her library.

I can make use of the Research rules and Ultimate Intrigue, as well as perhaps the 3rd party book Ultimate Charisma in that for the grand library she will be built as the head of very large guild or organization made up of those calling themselves "Librarians" with her being the Grand Master or "Grand Librarian" in charge of such a network of mages, scholars, scribes, and specialists who care for the books, guide patrons, or study within.

I might even throw in Mythic rules, and pick either the Archmage or possibly Trickster Path for her.

Race: Catfolk
Title: The Grand Librarian
Alt. Racial Traits: Curiosity
Traits: Scholar of the Great Beyond (Faith), Forbidden Knowledge (Regional)
Point Buy [20]: Str: 9 Dex: 14 Con: 10 Int: 18+4* Wis: 12 Cha: 16
Class: Studious Librarian (Bard) 16th
Feat: Noble Scion (Scion of Lore), Spell Focus (Divination), Greater Spell Focus (Divination), Skill Focus (Knowledge [History], Perform [Oratory], Linguistics), Insightful Advice, Orator or Leadership
Class: Studied Librarian 16th
Magic Items: Mask of a Thousand Tomes, *Tome of Clear Thought (+4)

Knowledge Checks
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Rank +16 in most but not all Knowledge skills, +6 Ability modifier, Class Skill/Trained +3, Bardic Knowledge +16, Noble Scion +1, Mask of a Thousand Tomes +10
= Up to a +52 bonus to Knowledge checks, except Knowledge [History] which will be +62.


So is your class bard with the archetype Studious Librarian or are you talking about a 3rd party class?

Grand Lodge

The class is a Bard with the archetype Studious Librarian, my apologies if that wasn't properly clear.


Cool. When you mentioned "the 3rd party book Ultimate Charisma" I wanted to make sure. I'll circle back to this when I have more time to give it a good look to see if I have anything else to add.

Grand Lodge

Mainly the reason why I want to use Ultimate Charisma because it turns the leadership feat into rule mechanics that every character can use. With features or other things that allow you to branch out and use such rules in different ways that are both more balanced and engaging.

Dark Archive

You might be interested in worshipping Magdh, The Three (one of the Eldest).
Her Fey Obedience gives a +4 bonus on all Intelligence-based skill checks for doing some divination-imitating prayers, if you're interested in getting the best Knowledge skills. Really liking the concept!


Are you set on catfolk as a race?

If not, choose a race that gets her age over 100 years (dwarf, elf, gnome if middle-aged,...) and grab breadth of knowledge as a feat for extra bonus on all knowledge and profession skills


Human has a racial trait, Comprehensive Education, that gives a +1 to all know checks.

Grand Lodge

Catfolk have a favored class bonus which increases Bardic Knowledge from being equal to half of the Bard's class levels to full class levels. I've done some searching, but I haven't found anything that equals this when it comes to increasing the bonus to Knowledge checks.

I can definitely look into Magdh and using her Fey Obedience, though this will mean I'll have to get rid of a feat.


Jonathon Wilder wrote:

Catfolk have a favored class bonus which increases Bardic Knowledge from being equal to half of the Bard's class levels to full class levels. I've done some searching, but I haven't found anything that equals this when it comes to increasing the bonus to Knowledge checks.

I can definitely look into Magdh and using her Fey Obedience, though this will mean I'll have to get rid of a feat.

A human could take Racial Heritage [catfolk] to take the favored class bonus and still take Comprehensive Education for the extra +1.

Grand Lodge

Really now? I knew that with that feat a human could take racial feats, archetypes, or traits but I didn't realize that a with the Racial Heritage feat a human could also take favorite class bonuses of another race.

Hmm, well I guess I could do that then.


Jonathon Wilder wrote:

Really now? I knew that with that feat a human could take racial feats, archetypes, or traits but I didn't realize that a with the Racial Heritage feat a human could also take favorite class bonuses of another race.

Hmm, well I guess I could do that then.

Favorite class bonuses fall under the "and so on". It works just like the 1/2 elf/orc blood abilities: "Half-elves and half-orcs may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on, as if they were a full member of both races (a half-elf can select elf and human rules elements, a half-orc can select human and orc rules elements)".

You take the feat and you qualify for the race for all requirements that don't need a racial trait you don't have.

Grand Lodge

Update:
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Name: Undecided
Deity: Magdh
Race: Human
Title: The Grand Librarian
Alt. Racial Traits: Comprehensive Education, Focused Study (Skill Focus at 1st, 8th, and 16th level)
Traits: Scholar of the Great Beyond (Faith), Forbidden Knowledge (Regional)
Point Buy [20]: Str: 10 Dex: 12 Con: 10 Int: 20+4 Wis: 12 Cha: 16
Class: Studious Librarian (Bard) 16th
Feat: Noble Scion (Scion of Lore), Racial Heritage [catfolk], Spell Focus (divination), Greater Spell Focus (divination), Skill Focus (Knowledge [History], Perform [oratory], Linguistic), Fey Obedience [Magdh], Diviner’s Delving, Orator, Insightful Advice.

Magic Items: Rod of the Thriceborn, Mask of a Thousand Tomes, *Tome of Clear Thought (+4)

Knowledge Checks
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Rank +14 in most but not all Knowledge skills, +7 Ability modifier, Class Skill/Trained +3, Bardic Knowledge +16, Noble Scion +1, Comprehensive Education +1, Mask of a Thousand Tomes +10
= Up to a +52 bonus to Knowledge checks, except Knowledge [History] which will be +62.

Grand Lodge

So any more thoughts on this? If not in mechanics, feats, and other such things then perhaps in developing the concept.

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The amateur inspiration feat would let you add another +1d6 to knowledge, linguistics, and spellcraft checks a number of times per day equal to your Int modifier...

The ‘inspired’ trait lets you roll twice for a skill check once per day if you want to double your chances when you need to hit a really high DC.


If you wanted a wisdom/int based build instead of cha try an inquisitor with memory or law domain. Even just a 2 lv dip does wonders for the knowledge monkey


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You might also want to consider having this character worship Irori and take the Deific Obedience feat. See here for what that obedience would get you.

The Fey Obedience for Magdh is even better.

The Exchange

One thing to consider is the variant multiclass rules. VMC Bard will get you Bardic Knowledge equal to your character level for the price of a few feats (I noticed you have her listed as Level 16, which means she would get most of the Bard benefits from VMC, including Lore Master). This would let you use any class, combination of classes, and/or prestige classes you want. This would let you choose something that synergizes more than Bard with INT.

Here are a few INT synergy ideas with VMC Bard:

I combined that with a Clone Master/Mindchemist Alchemist to play off a character who had been around for a long time. Mindchemist's "Perfect Recall" ability lets you add INT to knowledge checks twice. I don't care to dip classes too much, but a two level dip in Mindchemist would get you cognatogen and Perfect Recall along with alchemy.

An Investigator would be another alternative option to pick vmc bard with. You get your usual +1d6 inspiration on knowledge checks and a host of flavorful talents (Effortless Aid, Eidetic Recollection, Item Lore, etc). Empiricist Investigator is very INT-focused.

This might also be super fun with Tome Eater Occultist. Word Sense is a wonderfully thematic ability for a librarian character, and you are always lugging around scrolls/books. Plus the puns about devouring knowledge. Curator Occultist would be a different option, suitable for a character lugging around a ton of books all the time (if you can flavor them that way).

Since Loremaster's "Lore" ability stacks with Bardic Knowledge, a character (Say, a Wizard who gets Scribe Scroll for free) can go Wizard 7/Loremaster 10 for +13 to all knowledge checks with Lore (+5) and Bardic Knowledge from character level (+8).

Other prestige classes like Arcane Savant, Cyphermage, Pathfinder Chronicler, Divine Assessor (very cool abilities for a librarian/adventurer! I might try this with vmc bard/cloistered cleric), and Runeguard probably deserve a look.


Does VMC count as having the class for choosing favored class bonuses?


Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
Does VMC count as having the class for choosing favored class bonuses?

Not as far as I know.

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