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The racial boons released so far have language stating that "[t]his Chronicle sheet must be the first Chronicle sheet for the given character." How does this language interact with the Character Revision language on page 45 of the SFS guide.
Specifically, is a racial boon able to be added to a character that has not yet been played at level 2 or above despite it already having chronicles assigned to it.
As an added hink, how do these racial boon Chronicle sheets interact with the mnemonic editor item. If one is used to erase the first level of a character can these boons be applied even if the character has been played at level 2 or above disallowing the level 1 retraining option.
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Assuming that Starfinder would follow precedent set by Pathfinder, then yes, you can apply a racial boon during 1st-level rebuild. See this post by the (at the time) Organized Play Coordinator.
As to Mnemonic Editor, any answer I gave would be guessing.
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*requests a Necrovite to help raise this thread*
I see that this question has now been asked several times in this Forum, and I just wanted to get a solid answer before I proceeded.
I have two characters: one is a 3rd level GM credit baby, and the other has just 1xp. Can I apply my newly acquired Legacy Race Boon to either of them?
I realize that in Pathfinder Society this was understood to be a part of the "1st level rebuild", but you know what they say about assuming...
Going by just the text of the Boon, it would seem that it does indeed need to be the first Chronicle in that character's stack.
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That's understandable, coming from the point of view of someone who played PFS, because that was the operating assumption, but I've already encountered players that are brand new to this that may not read the Boon that way.
You'd think it would be a little clearer, honestly. It may also have been clarified somewhere that I just haven't found, yet.
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Now, you may be able to apply several things requiring them to be "first" if that's allowed by the rules somewhere, but I don't see that rebuilding after 4th level, and trying to retroactively apply a race boon in the #15 slot in the queue could possibly meet the intent here.
You are allowed to do exactly that in PFS, with the same wording used in SFS. Hence the confusion and request for clarification.
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How much clarification do you need?
As I stated in my first post, "Going by just the text of the Boon, it would seem that it does indeed need to be the first Chronicle in that character's stack". Without further clarification, that is exactly what I would do.
But, as I also mentioned, "in Pathfinder Society this was understood to be a part of the 1st level rebuild".
Given that Starfinder Society has a similar rebuild option, and this Boon has similar text to those found in Pathfinder Society, my question is not unreasonable to ask.
And as some players have assumed, such as Gary Bush up thread, the question deserves an answer.
I'm fine either way. I'd just like to know before proceeding. You would actually be one of the players I mentioned in my second post who "are brand new to this that may not read the Boon that way".
Wouldn't you agree?
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Do you require this FAQ to be explicitly moved into a separate catagory to apply to SFS as well as PFS?
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Do you then require Thursty to reiterate this post?
Starfinder Society isn't Pathfinder Society, so yes.
Thrusty is fairly active in the organized play discord and while that location isn't the official place to get organized play responses, and I would never hold the OP people to what they say there, on this particular issue this is what Thrusty said to me before I posted this question here:
"@Shaudius that's something I need to make a more official (visable) ruling on. Feel free to toss that in the forums and I'll see about getting to it."
Maybe the answer is as simple as, "it works the same way as in PFS" but maybe it's not.
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Do you then require Thursty to reiterate this post?Starfinder Society isn't Pathfinder Society, so yes.
Thrusty is fairly active in the organized play discord and while that location isn't the official place to get organized play responses, and I would never hold the OP people to what they say there, on this particular issue this is what Thrusty said to me before I posted this question here:
"@Shaudius that's something I need to make a more official (visable) ruling on. Feel free to toss that in the forums and I'll see about getting to it."
Maybe the answer is as simple as, "it works the same way as in PFS" but maybe it's not.
Also, I'm in the process of lining up a bunch of work-related stuff at the moment, so I've not had the time to just jump in and make a call. I'm reading this. Typically, when I don't respond, it means that I don't want to make an immediate decision or I want to confer with other people.
Expect something on this Soon™.
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SOON™ IS NOW!
Official Clarification: If you've applied a permanent personal boon slot to a character (such as a race boon), you can choose to swap out or remove the race boon as part of a character rebuild. If you remove a race boon in this manner, then you must pick another appropriate race (such as a core race, or a race made available by another race boon you possess).
Developer Thoughts: After talking it over with the rest of the organized play development team, we agree that race should be something that can be adjusted as part of a rebuild. One important note with this process, is that it does NOT protect a character from losing a race boon if they die before committing to a rebuild—low level PCs beware!
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I like to think that this is very much a clear case of rules as intended... but I'll clarify further in the hopes that we can stamp out any arguments on this topic over word choice.
In essence, the 'first chronicle only' restriction is a bit of a pass-over from Pathfinder Society. It's far cleaner, rules wise and in terms of wording, to restrict Personal Boons from the rebuild. The 'first chronicle only' is meant to ensure that players don't throw on a race boon after playing the character for several sessions.
I suspect that we'll update some of this wording in a future version of the Starfinder Society Guide. That being said, it is entirely legal to play the character for multiple sessions and then swap out the race boon as part of the rebuild process. As long as the rebuild is available, then you can do that.
Note: for now, this logic applies to rebuilds prior to 2nd level. Should we introduce other rebuild options into the campaign, I'll aim to have explicit wording on how this will work.
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Hey there! I've a quick question that I hope doesn't resurrect this thread too hard?
So, on the first, this clarification was made.
"Official Clarification: If you've applied a permanent personal boon slot to a character (such as a race boon), you can choose to swap out or remove the race boon as part of a character rebuild. If you remove a race boon in this manner, then you must pick another appropriate race (such as a core race, or a race made available by another race boon you possess)."
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I think I understand how the clarification is supposed to work. My question, however, is that, for example, lets say I recently acquired a particular race boon from a scenario or something. Would I be allowed to purchase a use of a Mnemonic Editor and alter my race to match the boon?
The race boon I acquired is absolutely perfect for a Level 3 character I'm currently playing... as a vesk. I'd hate to have to go back and roll up and play the exact same class back up to Level 3 as the new race. :(
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I think I understand how the clarification is supposed to work. My question, however, is that, for example, lets say I recently acquired a particular race boon from a scenario or something. Would I be allowed to purchase a use of a Mnemonic Editor and alter my race to match the boon?
This is the second question in the OP, and as far as I can tell it hasn't been directly answered.
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Changing your race is outside the scope of Mnemonic Editor.
For characters who desperately want to change their past and replace abilities, however, there is a technological solution: the mnemonic editor, a device by which old knowledge and abilities can be edited out of your character’s brain and permanently replaced with new ones, thus allowing you to partially rebuild your character
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Understood. There aren't any special rules prohibiting a character that gained access to the boon from using it, so if everything else about the first-level rebuild is legal (see "Addendum: Character Revision" on pg. 45 of the Starfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide Version 1.0), the racial boon can be applied to a level 1 character per the clarifications in this post.
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As a related issue, I noticed that some of the race boons granted by chronicle sheets can be applied to a character to play a specific race. Example:
My -701 character plays an adventure that grants the ability to play a halfling character, I apply this boon to my -702.
I later GM that same adventure and apply the effect that changes an existing halfling's ability score by 2 if it is under 14, which I then apply to my -702.
First question- Is that an appropriate use of that boon, even though it is from two different characters (GM credit and played credit) applying the same chronicle in different ways to the same halfling character? I understand that this might have been designed as a minor bonus to being a GM of a scenario you have played.
Second question- Can I then use the rebuild rules to later change the chronicles over to make two different halfling characters or move both race boons to a different character.
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I actually have a half-orc PC which I made using RSP GM Incentive #1 plus #1-06.
You can get the +2 bonus similarly by trading for a classic race boon or a future scenario's half-orc boon, but not with two copies of the same sheet regardless to how they're earned.
Look at the wording more carefully; "You can apply this boon to an existing [race] character in your possession that you earned from another source".
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You can't apply credit from both Chronicles to the same character, but you can apply the +2 Boon to a Character that was unlocked by a different character playing or GMing that same scenario. Thurston confirmed that it works that way (my specific question was regarding the Half-orc Boon, but same language and format as the Halfling Boon).
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To elaborate with an example (because I couldn't figure out how to better phrase my answer):
Your –701 plays through #X-XX: Return to Elfland, which grants you a Boon to create an Elf. You later GM that same scenario and apply the credit to your Elf PC. It would gain the +2 to a stat of 14 or lower.
It may be the same scenario, but the copy and the credit are different sources.
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To elaborate with an example (because I couldn't figure out how to better phrase my answer):
Your –701 plays through #X-XX: Return to Elfland, which grants you a Boon to create an Elf. You later GM that same scenario and apply the credit to your Elf PC. It would gain the +2 to a stat of 14 or lower.
It may be the same scenario, but the copy and the credit are different sources.
Or to put it another way, the copy that allows the elf race is not a chronicle applied to the elf PC, so it doesn't prevent the character applying and benefiting from a chronicle for that scenario? It seems logical, but I'd also like it confirmed.