Monstrous Physique IV abuse


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From what I can tell with this spell, one of the Great Old Ones - Yig - is an allowed form. Am I missing something elementary in RAW to prevent it?

The attacks would be Bite (6d10), 2 Claws (4d8), Tail Slap (4d10). And a Con Drain poison that requires 3 consecutive saves.

EDIT: Wrong spell in the title


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Yes. This little chunk of text from general polymorph rules

"Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature’s type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature."

Yig is a unique individual, Beast Shape has no text saying it can mimic unique beings ergo you cannot pick Yig.

Silver Crusade

Yig is a Monstrous Humanoid, not a Magical Beast.

Plus, there's the little matter of having to have some portion of the creature, which I, as GM, would DEARLY love to know how you managed to get that and not be a grease spot.


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Val'bryn2 wrote:

Yig is a Monstrous Humanoid, not a Magical Beast.

Plus, there's the little matter of having to have some portion of the creature, which I, as GM, would DEARLY love to know how you managed to get that and not be a grease spot.

Since a piece of Yig has no fixed price -- that is what the Eschew Materials feat is for. Technically, the average spell component pouch could also be assumed to somehow contain a piece of Yig, if the spell itself permitted you to do that.


Using Monstrous Physique and Eschew Materials if you're picky about component pouches, I don't see the problem.


Sorry, yes - Monstrous Physique, not Beast Shape.

I guess one could argue that since its an unknowable Great Old One, that the player would need to make a HEFTY DC Knowledge check to have enough knowledge of Yig to change into it.

And yes, he's an individual - but he's also a species, since he's one of a kind.


Sgtdrill wrote:

Sorry, yes - Monstrous Physique, not Beast Shape.

I guess one could argue that since its an unknowable Great Old One, that the player would need to make a HEFTY DC Knowledge check to have enough knowledge of Yig to change into it.

And yes, he's an individual - but he's also a species, since he's one of a kind.

If you want to absolutely torture the intent of the rules and definition of species sure. Then again if we go into the dictionary, being declared a species generally requires two organisms capable of reproduction among several other bits of minutae. Since Yig (and Bokrug for all you Beast Shape lovers) are unique individuals who cannot make little Yigs/Bokrugs most biologists won't call either their own species.

Of course arguing that sort of thing is strictly academic since the general rule of thumb with PF rules is that if any part of your explanation for why something works features the word "technically" then odds are that wasn't intended and nearly any GM will treat such attempts with an icy glare at best.


Tarik Blackhands wrote:

If you want to absolutely torture the intent of the rules and definition of species sure. Then again if we go into the dictionary, being declared a species generally requires two organisms capable of reproduction among several other bits of minutae. Since Yig (and Bokrug for all you Beast Shape lovers) are unique individuals who cannot make little Yigs/Bokrugs most biologists won't call either their own species.

Of course arguing that sort of thing is strictly academic since the general rule of thumb with PF rules is that if any part of your explanation for why something works features the word "technically" then odds are that wasn't intended and nearly any GM will treat such attempts with an icy glare at best.

Sorry, wasn't my intention to anger anybody - thank you for your feedback.


I see no problem with abusing rules. Abusing the rules of biology is how corn exists. Abusing the rules of electromagnetism is how radios exist. Abusing quantum mechanics is how lasers exist.


Sorry if my response was a bit cold, I didn't mean for it to come off that way.

I'm just mentioning that going for the whole "Well technically, I'm not turning into Bokrug, just a generic member of the kind of Bokrug which is identical to Bokrug due to him being a singular entity" is the sort of fenagling that annoys a lot of people (of which I am one of, admittedly). You're free to try that with your GM, just don't expect it to work.

Sovereign Court

It's the same reason you can't turn into Grendel with Monstrous Physique II.


You can turn into green men with plant shape however
Which is strong.

Sovereign Court

That's probably why that one wasn't allowed in PFS.


If you know enough about Yig (or another member of Yig's species) to know what form to take, sure, you could turn into a kind-of-Yig. I'd wager that even Yig's followers probably don't know what Yig looks and moves like well enough unless they'd seen Yig in person.

You'd only get the stuff listed under the polymorph subschool and the spell, of course. Nice stack of natural attacks, but bite/claw/claw/tail slap is nothing crazy.

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