Most Flying effects give you a fixed fly speed, e. g. fly spell below. In this case the spell longstrider will not give any enhancement bonus to fly speed as clearly stated.
On the other hand the Sylph feat Wings of air links the fly speed directly to the base speed. Would the fly speed of a sylph also increase from 30’ to 40’ like the base speed?
There often is the argument that specific rules win over general rules. To me this looks like specific vs specific. Which speccific wins? At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter which speed my Sylph has but curiosity still wants to find out :-)
Fly
The subject can fly at a speed of 60 feet (or 40 feet if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load)....
Longstrider
This spell gives you a +10 foot enhancement bonus to your base speed. It has no effect on other modes of movement, such as burrow, climb, fly, or swim.
Wings of Air
Benefit: Your bonus on saves against effects with the air or electricity descriptors and effects that deal electricity damage increases to +4. In addition, you gain a supernatural fly speed equal to your base speed (good maneuverability). You may only fly with this ability when wearing light armor or no armor.
No
Why?
LOL, because Longstrider does not affect your fly speed. Period.
This is not a case of specific vs specific. It is a case of Base Speed vs Base Speed + Enhancement to base speed.
Due to Longstrider's wording you cannot apply the enhancement to your base speed when using your base speed to calculate your fly speed because Longstrider does not affect fly speeds.
Gauss, opinion taken.
Anybody think otherwise?
Gauss, opinion taken.
Anybody think otherwise?
I agree with Gauss. There is a difference between increasing your base speed and adding an enhancement bonus to your base speed even if the numerical result would be the same. A character with +2 Natural Armor and a +3 Enhancement Bonus to Natural Armor from Barkskin still has +2 Natural Armor. Taking a few levels in Dragon Disciple can change that because it has class abilities that increase the Natural Armor itself. So things like the Fleet Feat, which alter the base speed itself, should increase your fly speed.
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Would a barbarian sylph fly faster? Barbarian fast movement doesn't say explicitly that it doesn't effect fly speed, but it does say it effects 'land speed' and therefore not fly speed.
In my opinion, wings of air fly speed being calculated from base land speed will be effected by things that change base land speed even if those things can't directly effect a fly speed.
A character with +2 Natural Armor and a +3 Enhancement Bonus to Natural Armor from Barkskin still has +2 Natural Armor.
As far as I understand all of the rules, this is entirely incorrect. As an example, a character with a STR or 12 and a +2 enhancement bonus to STR (that lasts 24 hours) can take power attack, and as long as they have that enhancement bonus they qualify for power attack and can use it. The last part would be true even if they later lost the 'permanent' enhancement bonus and had to rely on a temporary one, like bull's str. For the duration of the spell, they would be able to use power attack just as if their STR was above 13 unchanged.
I thought it wasn't so straight forward :-)
So far I'd see
2 + me in favor
2 against
And
1 asking more questions ;-)
Having re read the all the posts I'd go for the higher fly speed.