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Gorbacz wrote:
Isn't "US education" an oxymoron, anyway? I mean, you guys don't know where North Korea is, you elect a baboon for president and you think carrying a gun to the mall keeps you safe. I'm sorry, but why even bother spending anything on education? Yeah, sure, you get an occasional Bill Gates or Antonin Scalia, but nos Hercules contra plures.

So that there's less ignorance here?


Knight who says Meh wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Isn't "US education" an oxymoron, anyway? I mean, you guys don't know where North Korea is, you elect a baboon for president and you think carrying a gun to the mall keeps you safe. I'm sorry, but why even bother spending anything on education? Yeah, sure, you get an occasional Bill Gates or Antonin Scalia, but nos Hercules contra plures.
So that there's less ignorance here?

I think Gorbacz, as a chompy bag from Poland, is attempting to illustrate that glib aspersions and ignorance of foreign countries' actual internal politics, social values, and education systems isn't exclusive to just the people of United States.


Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.


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Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

That's ok, most Americans can't point to Iowa either. In our defense, Iowa is significantly less interesting than best Korea.


Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.


BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

To some extent. When it comes to weird little countries or regions, it's just a geography quiz.

When it comes to something like North Korea, which has been in the news recently as a potential nuclear flashpoint, it might be a little more reasonable.

Mind you, this isn't a new thing either. There are stories from back in the day of kids drafted to go to Vietnam not knowing where it was.

And for the record: I know roughly where Luxembourg is, but couldn't even have told you what country Tarrant County was in.

Spoiler:
Mind you, now that I've looked it up, if you'd said Fort Worth, I'd have had a pretty good idea. Seems a bit of a trick to use a less known name.


thejeff wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

To some extent. When it comes to weird little countries or regions, it's just a geography quiz.

When it comes to something like North Korea, which has been in the news recently as a potential nuclear flashpoint, it might be a little more reasonable.

Mind you, this isn't a new thing either. There are stories from back in the day of kids drafted to go to Vietnam not knowing where it was.

And for the record: I know roughly where Luxembourg is, but couldn't even have told you what country Tarrant County was in. ** spoiler omitted **

I follow your point, but what I'm trying to say is that *knowing* where it is on a map, and *knowing* that it is in Asia / Has a land-border with China; are two different things. I think that 80%+ of people in the US could tell you that second bit of info. And likewise, I imagine a similar percentage of draftees could have told you the same information about Vietnam. It is the political information gap that is important to recognize, not the geographic one.

Spoiler:
It probably was unfair, to an extent. The good people of Arlington may beg to disagree with you however.


BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

As someone who's lived in Tarrant County, unless you like the Rangers, Cowboys, or Six Flags, there's not much reason to know where Tarrant County is. Hell even when the Super Bowl was here, everyone referred to it as Dallas.


Captain Battletoad wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

As someone who's lived in Tarrant County, unless you like the Rangers, Cowboys, or Six Flags, there's not much reason to know where Tarrant County is. Hell even when the Super Bowl was here, everyone referred to it as Dallas.

Yeah, except for Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter, American Airlines, Carswell Air Force Base, BNSF, the Barnett Shale, The Kimbell and Amon Carter Museums, TCU, the water gardens, botanic gardens, Japanese gardens, Bass Hall, Texas Motor Speedway, Bureau of Engraving and Printing Mint, Sundance Square, Levitt Pavilion, UT Arlington, and 30% of all the best TexMex in Texas. So you know, whatever. ;)


BigDTBone wrote:
thejeff wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

To some extent. When it comes to weird little countries or regions, it's just a geography quiz.

When it comes to something like North Korea, which has been in the news recently as a potential nuclear flashpoint, it might be a little more reasonable.

Mind you, this isn't a new thing either. There are stories from back in the day of kids drafted to go to Vietnam not knowing where it was.

And for the record: I know roughly where Luxembourg is, but couldn't even have told you what country Tarrant County was in. ** spoiler omitted **

I follow your point, but what I'm trying to say is that *knowing* where it is on a map, and *knowing* that it is in Asia / Has a land-border with China; are two different things. I think that 80%+ of people in the US could tell you that second bit of info. And likewise, I imagine a similar percentage of draftees could have told you the same information about Vietnam. It is the political information gap that is important to recognize, not the geographic one.

** spoiler omitted **

It's not that there's not cool stuff there, it's just that it's more likely to be associated with the bigger metropolitan region than with the County. You couldn't pull the same trick with Dallas County, just because it shares a name with the city.

I'd actually be interested in numbers on "know where NK is". Especially if they were tied to your "*knowing* that it is in Asia / Has a land-border with China". Poking around the internets a little bit, I found a survey suggesting Americans thought their fellow Americans wouldn't know where it is, but no actual data.


BigDTBone wrote:
Captain Battletoad wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

As someone who's lived in Tarrant County, unless you like the Rangers, Cowboys, or Six Flags, there's not much reason to know where Tarrant County is. Hell even when the Super Bowl was here, everyone referred to it as Dallas.
Yeah, except for Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter, American Airlines, Carswell Air Force Base, BNSF, the Barnett Shale, The Kimbell and Amon Carter Museums, TCU, the water gardens, botanic gardens, Japanese gardens, Bass Hall, Texas Motor Speedway, Bureau of Engraving and Printing Mint, Sundance Square, Levitt Pavilion, UT Arlington, and 30% of all the best TexMex in Texas. So you know, whatever. ;)

I'll agree with Bass Hall (used to work there) and UTA (used to go there) but the rest aren't much of a reason to care about Tarrant specifically. And 30% of the best Tex-Mex? Idk man, San Antonio and Austin may take the cake on that.


Captain Battletoad wrote:
And 30% of the best Tex-Mex? Idk man, San Antonio and Austin may take the cake on that.

I left them 70%...


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BigDTBone wrote:
Captain Battletoad wrote:
And 30% of the best Tex-Mex? Idk man, San Antonio and Austin may take the cake on that.
I left them 70%...

That's a low-ball estimate, in my opinion. But then again Tex-Mex may be considered off topic for this thread, no matter how educational it can be.


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Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

{lurks ominously behind Sissyl's couch}

Liberty's Edge

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Dire Iowan Potato wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.
{lurks ominously behind Sissyl's couch}

You've got your agricultural stereotypes mixed up.

Iowa is not at all known for potatos. That's Idaho.

Iowa is corn and pigs.


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CBDunkerson wrote:
Dire Iowan Potato wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.
{lurks ominously behind Sissyl's couch}

You've got your agricultural stereotypes mixed up.

Iowa is not at all known for potatos. That's Idaho.

Iowa is corn and pigs.

Spoiler:
Yes. I had a brain fart in a FaWtL comment years ago where I mixed up Iowa and Idaho as the source of potatoes (there's a link in Dire Iowan Potato's profile). This alias is primarily a meta-joke for my benefit and poking fun at myself. I am often easily amused by dumb things.

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Breaking News:

La Principessa gave out a vocabulary exercise that included the sentence "Often people who run banks are ________ for preying on the poor and the disadvantaged" (or something like that) with the vocab word being "nefarious."

One of her students brought it home to her father, who is a banker; the latter got upset, shared it with everyone in his office and one of them contacted the New York Post who are apparently running a story on it tomorrow.

She's all a-tizzy (three interns just appeared at her apartment asking if she had a response), and I am having a hard time calming her down because I keep laughing despite myself.

Anyway, I'll link it when I see it.


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Leftist teacher’s homework assignment slams bankers


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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Leftist teacher’s homework assignment slams bankers

I've posted it before, but it always sounds great.

A Letter to The NY Post Public Enemy

[High Fives Doodlebug] Uhhh - for education... yeah, that's it.

EDIT: Reminds me of when Ray Liotta's character in Goodfellas gets arrested for the first time, and everyone celebrates when he gets out! You offended the Post? Congratulations! You have arrived!


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MMCJawa wrote:
The US has a very vibrant and thriving scientific community, despite the best efforts from some folks in government. There is a reason many folks in Europe take US jobs...

War is God’s way of teaching us geography.”- Paul Rodrigez


BigDTBone wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well, I know where North Korea is, but Iowa would be a stab in the dark. Colour me ignorant.

Even more pointedly, humans do a bad job in general of deciding what geographic regions are important to know where they are.

For example, I bet you could show me exactly where Luxembourg is on a map, but would be virtually impossible for you to use just a map to show me where Tarrant County is. But, Tarrant County has about the same land area as Luxembourg as well as 3 times the population and 3 times the economic output.

So, really, "show me that on a map" is just a geography snob way to be a jerk to people, and should be ignored as such.

Context in all things is king. You're right, most people wouldn't know where Tarrant County is, but if you asked them to list 3 of the most economically important metropolitan areas in Texas, they'd probably be in the ballpark (even if not technically correct).

While the exact location of Tarrant county is significant in why it became what it is today, those specific reasons aren't front page international news every few months for the past 20 years.

The location of North Korea is important to understanding the context of the current situation. The US has military bases/forces in South Korea. North Korea borders China. China doesn't want US military bases/forces on it's own border. Therefore, a neverending stumbling block is that China will always give NK just enough resources to survive, because they want it as a buffer between them an South Korea (ie: the US military).

For someone to understand that, they have to know where it is. Not knowing where it is will likely mean that they don't understand that.

I could see the argument that most US citizens probably don't need to know all that (and more about the situation), but they need to vote for someone who does. If they don't know it's important, they aren't as likely to vote for someone else who does think it's important.


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

Leftist teacher’s homework assignment slams bankers

It actually does seem inappropriate to me. There are probably plenty of bankers who are not actively working to destroy America and some of them might have children attending school. I certainly wouldn't like a right-leaning teacher telling her students that all government workers are parasites or something similar.


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[Draws weapon and takes defensive stance]

En garde, you neoliberal lickspittle!


Fergie wrote:


EDIT: Reminds me of when Ray Liotta's character in Goodfellas gets arrested for the first time, and everyone celebrates when he gets out! You offended the Post? Congratulations! You have arrived!

She was upset that they reported she slammed the door in their face. "What do you want? Fair reporting from the gutter press? It's a badge of honor, [La Principessa]!"

She's been getting congratulations from all her Facebook comrades, so I assume she will calm down soon.


As an administrator of an elementary school I'd honestly have to side with Meh on this one. I'd counsel my teacher to choose more appropriate questions. However, I typically have the opposite problem with the great majority of my teachers falling on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

However, I'd give her a high five for teaching cool ass words like nefarious and reprehensible.

Doodlebug what grade level are we talking about? The article says Middle School, but that can honestly range from 5th-8th grade.


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Seventh.

[Stabs GM Niles]


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That the article says she supports "lefty" causes made me giggle. It amuses me to see a complaint about diction that itself shows poor diction.

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