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In the Hell Knight supliment an arch type for the Vigilante was introduced called The Faceless Enforcer. They use armor for their vigilante aspect. The wording of the class states changing from social to vigilante takes as long as it does to get into armor. Most of the armor they discuss is heavy armor which takes minutes. Now under the normal Vigilante they state it takes at least a minute going from social to vigilante identity even with a Hat of Disguise. They go one to state it's not just appearance but mental attitude as well. Folding Plate is magical armor that takes the form of a brooch when not in use. It states on command it Instantly covers the wearer in armor, +1 Full plate to be exact.
Now my question is this. The magic item is armor allowing the user to instantly have it on. Would this particular magic item allow the Enforcer archtype instantly switch between social and vigilante identities?
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It would still take at least a minute until you get the talent to improve it.
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This particular archtype cannot take the talent to improve it. It states their change time is based on how long it takes to get into armor. That is why I am asking. It's more about tanking up like Iron Man rather then getting into the mood like Batman.
The magical item is in fact armor which is why I ask.
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"Getting into the mood like Batman"
You sir, have won the internet for this week. As I'll now have the image of Batman perched on a rooftop, listening to Morrissey on his IPod.
Or better yet, standing in front of a mirror, practicing lines with his menacing voice. :-)
There's this line in the Faceless Enforcer version, Dual Identity wrote: Switching identities means entirely donning or removing armor (even if it is donned hastily) and never takes less than the minimum amount of time to do so. Which to me reads that even if you have assistance from somewhere you still take as long as normal for the armor to transition.
Normally I'd agree however the item is a rather unique set of armor. The only reason why I'm asking. I have no real wish to break a rule but it did seem as if this particular armor would allow this.
My example would have been Iron Man 2 with the Briefcase. It took Tony like a Full round to tank up when it normally takes waldos and about five to ten to armor up in the regular suit. Still cool idea though.
Captain I have seen and read jokes about Batman practicing his voice and looks in a mirror. Thank you for the compliment
Original Dual Identity calls out that magic items don't help speed up the process, Faceless Enforcer strives to that as well with that line.
And MCU Tony Stark isn't really best modeled with the Vigilante Class as is in this situation, since he's the same in and out of armor, no change.
It takes the minimum time to don full plate, as the folding armor is +1 full plate and the archetype says it cannot be reduced beyond the minimum time to don. So you are fully armored but not yet switched out to the vigilante identity.
Well that sucks especially since the archtype cannot take talents to reduce the time needed. My only argument was the item is magical armor and did seem to imply it bends the rules of donning. As far as armor's goes not something I'd normally pick but it seemed made for this archtype.
Rysky Older Marvel comics Iron Man could be considered a Vigilante for this discussion. Few people knew Tony Stark was Iron Man. He was Marvel's version of Batman. He played up his playboy image often too much. When he donned the suit no one would have considered him as the man behind the suit. He had a couple of times Rhodes don the suit just so people would stop suspecting he was Iron Man. It wasn't until much later that he made it public who he was.
MCU = Marvel Cinematics Universe.
And true older depictions from the comics might fit but you said you were going off the second Iron Man movie.
I was using the second movie for mostly the briefcase suit which took him seconds compared to minutes using waldos and what not. In the older comics it did all fit into a briefcase.
Yes, but those are still two very different characters, even if they are the same character.
I understand that. The point I was trying to make was the time it took to transform into Iron Man. The normal suit took minutes while the briefcase took seconds. I know the difference and no the movie version wouldn't be a Vigilante at all. Truth was I was surprised that he revealed himself as Iron Man at the end of the first.
I don't really get what you're trying to say at this point.
Older era comics Iron Man can be modeled with the Vigilante Class.
Cinematic Iron Man probably can't.
And?
Derek Dalton wrote: I understand that. The point I was trying to make was the time it took to transform into Iron Man. The normal suit took minutes while the briefcase took seconds. I know the difference and no the movie version wouldn't be a Vigilante at all. Truth was I was surprised that he revealed himself as Iron Man at the end of the first.
That depends on what he would be using the Vigilante class for. He may not be making use of the Dual Identity, but it would be entirely reasonable for him to take a high-skill, full-BAB class. You only lose the scrying protection if you use Vigilante abilities in Social form, so he could just stay as Tony Stark who happens to be Iron Man, and grab a +4 Knowledge (engineering) from Social Grace.
And nothing. I was using the movie to address the time it takes to become Iron Man with the two different suits. And I like Iron Man
The Sideromancer wrote: Derek Dalton wrote: I understand that. The point I was trying to make was the time it took to transform into Iron Man. The normal suit took minutes while the briefcase took seconds. I know the difference and no the movie version wouldn't be a Vigilante at all. Truth was I was surprised that he revealed himself as Iron Man at the end of the first.
That depends on what he would be using the Vigilante class for. He may not be making use of the Dual Identity, but it would be entirely reasonable for him to take a high-skill, full-BAB class. You only lose the scrying protection if you use Vigilante abilities in Social form, so he could just stay as Tony Stark who happens to be Iron Man, and grab a +4 Knowledge (engineering) from Social Grace. *nods*
My main reason for stating it wasn't a good fit was due to the different mindsets involved in the Dual Identities.
TriOmegaZero wrote: It takes the minimum time to don full plate, as the folding armor is +1 full plate and the archetype says it cannot be reduced beyond the minimum time to don. So you are fully armored but not yet switched out to the vigilante identity. I thought the "minimum time" line was that if you can get a way to switch faster, but armor takes longer than that to done, you have to wait until armor is done, not the other way around.
Derek Dalton wrote: In the Hell Knight supliment an arch type for the Vigilante was introduced called The Faceless Enforcer. They use armor for their vigilante aspect. The wording of the class states changing from social to vigilante takes as long as it does to get into armor. Most of the armor they discuss is heavy armor which takes minutes. Now under the normal Vigilante they state it takes at least a minute going from social to vigilante identity even with a Hat of Disguise. They go one to state it's not just appearance but mental attitude as well. Folding Plate is magical armor that takes the form of a brooch when not in use. It states on command it Instantly covers the wearer in armor, +1 Full plate to be exact.
Now my question is this. The magic item is armor allowing the user to instantly have it on. Would this particular magic item allow the Enforcer archtype instantly switch between social and vigilante identities?
You know, you don't have to wear full plate.
If you wear a Armored Kilt with a Armored Coat: it only takes a move action to change.
This is the fastest method.
I reread the class and realized any armor would do.
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