Removed material components from game (mostly), question about sorcerers


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I removed material components for spells from the game I GM for my husband - it's just us two and neither of us liked them. This is excepting expensive components. So it's like everyone has 'Eschew Materials'.

Therefore I wasn't sure if I should do anything about the Eschew Materials bonus feat Sorcerers get now being redundant. Should I give them a different one, or does it not really matter?


It might be nice to give them something, since you're basically giving every casting class besides them a free feat.

Simply giving them spell focus to a school of their choice would probably work. Or a selection for a the 3 schools that fit their bloodline best, so a Draconic one could choose between, Evocation and Transmutation maybe?

although that seems like work.


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Unless you were going around stealing/sundering spell component pouches, then you probably don't need to replace it with anything IMO. I very rarely see inexpensive components become relevant without a GM forcing the issue anyways.


give them the 1st power from the vanisian tattoo archetype for free


GM Cwethan wrote:
Unless you were going around stealing/sundering spell component pouches, then you probably don't need to replace it with anything IMO. I very rarely see inexpensive components become relevant without a GM forcing the issue anyways.

+1


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I'll second GM Cwethan, Eschew Materials is usually one of the weakest feats in the game.

If you feel you need to replace it, I'd go with something else fairly weak. Skill focus on their bloodline skill might be an interesting and thematic choice and not very powerful.


You could give them a discount when casting spells with expensive components, like -10 for every 100gp worth of the component(so a sorcerer could cast a spell that normally requires 100gp for 90, 200 for 180, and so on).


A free bonus feat seems appropiate


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Maybe limit the feat to the appropriate bloodline list?


found it mages tattoo as per the tattooed sorc archetype


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Skill focus in the bloodline skill seems very appropriate both in terms of flavor and power.

I don't think you need to give them anything, but if you do I consider that a good suggestion.


I've considered actually making people pay for "costless components" (I.E. assign a value to them, such as 1 sp each) simply because it seems silly to me that we have a feat whose only purpose is to replace carrying a particular light, inexpensive object. Spell Component pouches would then contain their market value in "costless components" (50 spells in this case).

But yeah, if your going to remove the concept entirely, classes that get Eschew Materials for free should replace it with something similarly useful to them. Skill Focus is fairly useful, but limiting it to the skill associated with the sorcerer's bloodline makes it less abusable. Other options might include Combat Casting, Expanded Arcana, Magical Affinity, and Spell Penetration.


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I would support the idea of allowing Skill Focus in the bloodline skill as an option, but forcing it as the only choice might be bad for characters like Half-Elves who already get a free Skill Focus feat from their race.


David knott 242 wrote:

I would support the idea of allowing Skill Focus in the bloodline skill as an option, but forcing it as the only choice might be bad for characters like Half-Elves who already get a free Skill Focus feat from their race.

it also really sucks for those whos bloodlines have really bad skill focuses like skill focus appraise or perform or the bloodragers who get the feat but whos bloodlines don't have a class skill

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Give them Toughness. The magical energies suffusing their blood make them a bit more durable than other people

And allow it to stack with itself if they also take it as one of their Bloodline feats


What about replacing it with a Bloodline feat choice at level one?


Cantriped wrote:
[...]a feat whose only purpose is to replace carrying a particular light, inexpensive object.

Then you missed the point of the feat.

Eschew Material is a "high level" feat, which lets wizards and sorcerers cast spells when polymorphed into a dragon (and the like).

Otherwise, an extra bloodline feat seems indeed appropriate.

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