Alchemist / / Bard gestalt + Craft Wondrous Item

[Coinshot Colton]

I've read and re-read the Crafting Magic Items text, and I really just can't understand how crafting works when it comes to their interaction with extracts. I'm playing an alchemist//bard gestalt, so the character qualifies for Craft Wondrous Items. I've got the necessary Craft and Spellcraft skills maxed, as well as UMD if needed. Question is, if a required spell for an item is not on my bard's spell list, but my alchemist has it as a formula, can that be used to make the item?

And what about if the spell is on neither of their lists, am I allowed to make a UMD check to cast it from a scroll with a DC of 20+CL required to cast the spell?

[Lady-J]

i wana say yes but even if they cant not having a spell on your list only adds +5 to the craft dc

[avr]

Formulas/extracts mostly don't help with making magic items. The Material Mastery discovery lets you use an extract to reduce the penalty for not having the right spell from 5 to 2 though. I don't think this would help when making scrolls, potions, wands or staves as for those you have to have the required spell.

& yes, you can use a scroll to supply the required spell. If you're making an item which requires more than one day to create you'd need one scroll per day which would rapidly become impractical.

[Coinshot]

Ah, ok yeah that's not gonna be practical if I have to buy that many scroll. In any case, didn't realize it's just a +5 DC for each spell I don't have. That's definitely doable!