Myrmidarch Magus - Advanced Options


Rules Questions


1) Can a Myrmidarch take AWT?

2) Can I choose Focused Weapon, and does my magus level count as my fighter level for it?


yes.

no, you only count as fighter levels for feats, not for features.


Chess Pwn wrote:

yes.

no, you only count as fighter levels for feats, not for features.

Hmmm...

Bonus Questions:

3) Assuming a Myrm can take advanced armor training, does armored juggernaut increase with magus levels? (it uses the "At 7th level" wording instead, though its clearly written for a fighter like all the other AWT and AAT options, I didnt know if allowed it to be used.)


As written, yes. Don't be too surprised if your GM wants to make the levels where the DR increases line up with the later levels of armor training instead though.


Actually, Focused Weapon should work on a Myrmidarch Magus, just not at the lower levels. Although Rules As Written (not necessarily Rules As Intended), it might now (see the end), so beware of traps.

The fighter selects one weapon for which he has Weapon Focus and that belongs to the associated fighter weapon group. The fighter can deal damage with this weapon based on the damage of the warpriest’s sacred weapon(ACG) class feature, treating his fighter level as his warpriest level. The fighter must have Weapon Focus with the selected weapon in order to choose this option.

It says that you have to have Fighter levels, BUT:

Fighter Training (Ex): At 7th level, a myrmidarch counts his magus level –3 as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats (if he has levels in fighter, these levels stack). At 10th level, the myrmidarch treats his magus levels as fighter levels for the purposes of fighter training. This ability replaces both knowledge pool and the fighter training the magus gains at 10th level.

(Note: The equivalent seciton in Archives of Nethys actually is missing part of the text.)

AND:

Prerequisites: Fighter level 5th, weapon training class feature.

Benefit: Select one advanced weapon training option, applying it to one fighter weapon group you have already selected with the weapon training class feature.

Special: This feat can be taken more than once, but at most once per 5 fighter levels.Special: Fighters that have the weapon masterAPG archetype can select this feat beginning at 4th level. The benefits of a weapon master’s advanced weapon training options apply only to his selected weapon rather than all weapons in the same fighter weapon group, and he can’t select the weapon specialist advanced weapon training option. A weapon master can select this feat as a bonus feat; if he does so, it doesn’t count for the purpose of the requirement that it can be taken at most once per 5 fighter levels.

So the earliest a Myrmidarch Magus can take Advanced Weapon Training (Focused Weapon) is at 8th level (which in practice means 9th level unless you dipped 1 level of something else), but it is doable, and then you can even take another Advanced Weapon Training at 10th (dipped)/11th level due to the jump in effective Fighter level at 10th level.

So then the only question is whether Fighter Training counts for feat effect or just qualification. (This same question came up with Magus Arcana obtained by a non-Magus using VMC Magus -- Maneuver Mastery, for instance, has a scaling effect with Magus level.)


it's just for qualifying. this is similar to warpriest's counting as full bab for feats, and it was clarified to just be qualifying and not for the effects.


Well . . . that's a bummer . . . I guess it's consistent, though.


Chess Pwn wrote:
it's just for qualifying. this is similar to warpriest's counting as full bab for feats, and it was clarified to just be qualifying and not for the effects.

Actually, this makes sense, now that I re-read the following text in the Brawler's class features:



At 1st level, a brawler counts her total brawler levels as both fighter levels and monk levels for the purpose of qualifying for feats. She also counts as both a fighter and a monk for feats and magic items that have different effects based on whether the character has levels in those classes (such as Stunning Fist and a monk’s robe). This ability does not automatically grant feats normally granted to fighters and monks based on class level, namely Stunning Fist.

This includes specific wording to give the Brawler's Martial Training the ability to count as Fighter levels for feat effect.

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