| Anger Nogar |
We had a lengthy argument in our group with a player who argued on and on with the GM that he can use accelerated drinker with alchemist extracts and the FAQ should be ignored because it obviously contradicts the RAW. In the end the GM gave up since it wasn't worth the effort for the three shot adventure we are going to play with the characters we are about to create. Anyway, the whole hour and a half long argument made me want to play some RAW abusing character as well, just to prove a point. Wanted to check if the following build is in line with literal reading of the rules:
Warlock Vigilante 12/Weaponmaster Fighter 4
Vigilante Talents: Arcane Striker (Arcane Strike), Shield of Fury (Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Shield Bash), Returning Weapon.
Feats: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Shield Slam, Shield Master, Quick Draw, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, Deadly Aim, Weapon Focus, Combat Expertise, Advanced Weapon Training: Warrior's Spirit.
Equipment: Deliquescent Gloves of Dueling, +4 Blinkback Belt of Physical Perfection, +5 mithral light throwing shield (also enchanted as +1 huntsman heartseeker impervious weapon), other items...
So, we effectively have a +5 corrosive shock wounding throwing shield, buffed with +3 damage from arcane strike, +8 damage from deadly aim and +3 damage from weapon training. If we can prepare in advance we can use warrior's spirit to add bane and holy to our shield (to one of the two shield we have, but returning weapon transfers that to the other one as well.
We can throw the shield as a free action (since it is a thrown shield) (assuming the DM will restrict me to a single free action for doing that each turn) and then make a full hasted, rapid shooting, greater two-weapon fighting attack with no penalties for two-weapon fighting, using deadly aim or combat expertise. With our 24 Dex and 16 Str it will amount vs. a bane-ed evil target to:
+33/+33/+33/+33/+33*/+28/+28*/+23/+23* attacks for 1d3+25+5d6 plus 1d6 electricity plus 1d6 acid.
(* 2 damage less since it's an offhand attack)
I guess it can be optimized further, but not really interested in totally breaking the game, just in tossing almost a dozen shields in single round due to dubious rules interpretation.
It's quite obvious to me that Shield master does not affect penalties outside those from TWF, but literal reading of the feat allows it I think. Combining TWF with rapid shot is also technically possible and the way I see it thanks to blinkback belt I can free action toss a throwing shield and then still use it for a full attack.
Am I missing something?
| PossibleCabbage |
You can not throw a throwing shield as a free action. You can unclasp a throwing shield so that you can throw it, but it's still an action to throw it.
This was addressed in a recent FAQ
| Cantriped |
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Don't bother fighting Cheaters with Cheating... it doesn't work. They are experts at avoiding cognitive dissonance.
Besides, the GM has the right to ignore or enforce FAQs and even Errata/Revisions (although that is harder given that the PRD updates). For example, I had to ignore the Scarred Witch Doctor Revision because I was using an NPC published before the revision that would not have functioned if I applied to revision to them.
If the player doesn't like the GM's ruling, he can always go find a more permissive Table, or maybe GM a game himself and see what its like when players wastes an hour of HIS time arguing selfish bull shit.
| Anger Nogar |
Yes, there is also a FAQ regarding accelerated drinker, but it seems this is going to be an ignore-FAQ-or-reason short adventure:) I don't aim to break the game, just to showcase some ridiculous rule wordings (with a RAI obvious from the start and a FAQ to quickly follow).
Good point on the blinkback belt, would quick draw allow me to draw from a bag of holding?
James Risner
Owner - D20 Hobbies
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showcase some ridiculous rule wordings
Fortunately about 99% of the "ridiculous wordings" were actually reasonable wordings when using common sense as the developers intended. Willfully choosing to purposefully twist rulings in ways they obviously were not intended is how we come to ridiculous rules wordings.
| Baval |
doesnt contradict the raw at all. accelerated drinker says potion. an extract is not a potion, its an extract.
if he says "theyre potion-like" as it says in the alchemists entry, remind him you cant apply metamagic to spell-like abilities, only to spells, so you cant apply accelerated drinker to potion-like abilities, only potions.
James Risner
Owner - D20 Hobbies
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Thankfully we have FAQ.
Each of these literally had hundreds of posts in multiple threads including many thread locks pre FAQ:
- Accelerated Drinker with extracts.
- Potion Gluttony with extracts.
- Throwing Shield being thrown for a free action not just unclasped as a free action.
- Shield Master with non-TWF penalties.
| Spacelard |
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Anger Nogar wrote:showcase some ridiculous rule wordingsFortunately about 99% of the "ridiculous wordings" were actually reasonable wordings when using common sense as the developers intended. Willfully choosing to purposefully twist rulings in ways they obviously were not intended is how we come to ridiculous rules wordings.
If you need a thesaurus and a law degree to explain your wonderful interpretation of RAW, you're doing it wrong.
So many people need to shave with Oocam's Razor...