Zombies with more than one attack.

[Garion Beckett]

Ok i am trying to pull off something cool and i need help. Say a powerful necomancer turned a dragon into a zombie and it was big enough to have all it's attacks in life: 2 claws, wings, tail, crush... does the zombie get those as a full attack or does it only get 1 option of those due to the staggered condition.

[Lady-J]

depends on the type of zombie you turn it into not all zombies get the staggerd condition just turn it into one of those and your good to go else you gata deal with the stagard condition in which case it would be better off as a skeleton

[Gorbacz]

Use the Fast Zombie template from Bestiary 1.

[Ascalaphus]

Yeah, Fast Zombie is what you need.

[Lady-J]

wouldnt a juju zombie work better tho?

[Ascalaphus]

I don't know any ability that allows you to animate juju zombies. If you can find it, it's clearly the more powerful template.

[Lady-J]

juju mystery oracle the most powerful necromance classes can do it

[Gorbacz]

Lady-J wrote:

juju mystery oracle the most powerful necromance classes can do it

The original printing Juju Mystery could, but the revised one lost that ability, as it was a) arguably OP b) causing a lot headaches given the "zombies are evil and animating dead is evil too".

[Lady-J]

Gorbacz wrote:

Lady-J wrote:

juju mystery oracle the most powerful necromance classes can do it

The original printing Juju Mystery could, but the revised one lost that ability, as it was a) arguably OP b) causing a lot headaches given the "zombies are evil and animating dead is evil too".

so is alot of things in pathfinder there are litterally hundreds of options for evil things and making juju zombies was the juju oracles only job now it doesnt even have that ill see if i can find another way to do it tho

[Lady-J]

from what i can tell juju oracles can still raise juju zombies with animate dead or raise undead

spirit vessels:

Spirit Vessels (Su): You can channel wendo spirits into lifeless bodies, reanimating them to aid you. When using the animate dead spell, you can control 6 HD worth of undead creatures per caster level rather than 4 HD. In addition, any zombies or juju zombies you create using animate dead, create undead, or similar spells possess maximum hit points.

only change i can find is the text that let it be non evil

[Aldrakan]

Ascalaphus wrote:

I don't know any ability that allows you to animate juju zombies. If you can find it, it's clearly the more powerful template.

Juju zombies and skeletal champions are on the list of creatures that can be created through Create Undead, you just need to cast Enervation when you do it.

[Ascalaphus]

Aldrakan wrote:

Ascalaphus wrote:

I don't know any ability that allows you to animate juju zombies. If you can find it, it's clearly the more powerful template.

Juju zombies and skeletal champions are on the list of creatures that can be created through Create Undead, you just need to cast Enervation when you do it.

Really? Where's that written?

[Aldrakan]

Ascalaphus wrote:

Aldrakan wrote:

Ascalaphus wrote:

I don't know any ability that allows you to animate juju zombies. If you can find it, it's clearly the more powerful template.

Juju zombies and skeletal champions are on the list of creatures that can be created through Create Undead, you just need to cast Enervation when you do it.

Really? Where's that written?

Undead Revisited I believe. Also on the list here:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/create-undead/

[Ascalaphus]

Ah, yes, it's in Undead Revisited front inside cover.

[Garion Beckett]

I don't necessarily need the full attack. This thing has over 50+ STR and can probably crush the PCs in a single hit so i was just asking if a regular zombie got the full attack :) sorry

[Garion Beckett]

Also.. if this thing had multi-attack in life (with wings, tail and claws) would this thing also get it?

[Kileanna]

IIRC he shouldn't retain any feats as he doesn't have an INT score.

[Gauss]

1) I would also suggest a Fast Zombie OR dropping the CR of the zombie dragon. A Zombie Dragon with only one attack is really penalized.

2) Zombies do not retain any feats they had in life. (Bestiary p289)

[Pizza Lord]

This is why most stronger and single attack creatures are turned into zombies and why most faster, multi-attack creatures are turned into skeletons.