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Started an Unchained Monk Scaled Fist for PFS.
Am planning on taking her into Devoted Muse Prestige at 6th level.
Stats are--
Race Kitsume:
Str 10
Dex 17 (18 at 4th), Agile weapons ASAP.
Con 12 (yes I know)
Int 12
Wis 10
Cha 17 (18 at 8th)
or changing it to
Str 10
dex 17
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 8 (yes, I know)
Cha 15
Feats: Weapon Finesse, Combat Reflexes (Monk 1), Dodge (monk 2) Dirty fighting (3rd), Improved Feint (5th)
What what I'm considering:
1-2 level dip in brawler to pick up Agile Manuevers for levels 4-5 or just 4 to open up some manuever possiblities.
1-2 level dip in Vigilante
+4 on bluff and Agile Manuevers.
1 level dip in Swashbuckler for Panache, Class Skills.
Dumping Devoted Muse or delaying til 6th, 5th level feat for Agile Manuevers and picking up improved feint at 6th w/monk bonus feat.
Whatever I'm not thinking of.
Opinions and options?
You would need to take Combat Expertise to cover the prerequisite for Improved Feint and Devoted Muse, since Dirty Fighting only covers maneuver feat prerequisites.
For a DEX-based Monk, you can always take a single level of Crusader Cleric of Sarenrae to pick up Crusader's Flurry: Scimitar easily and take Dervish Dance, which means you can use a great weapon without Agile instead of having to use an Agile-acceptable Monk weapon. Feats are an issue though if you're a Kitsune trying to qualify for Devoted Muse.
A Scaled Fist 3/ Warpriest 4 with 12WIS could pick up enough feats to flurry a scimitar with Crusader's Flurry and enter Devoted Muse by 8, while also grabbing bonus Weapon Focus, swift-action +3 Divine Favor, a level 2 swift Cleric spell, some Blessing use, and a little Sacred Weapon as well. That +3 Divine Favor (Fate's Favor and Magical Knack) is a very major boost to combat ability, and getting an extra +1 to weapon enhancement for 4 rounds per day is still pretty nice if it means breaking DR when it matters most.
The Irrepressible Trait helps a ton with important Will saves on a high CHA character.
Sure, and a heavy pick would be a hilarious weapon to apply Crusader's Flurry to by worshipping Soralyon. But considering the OP is using a DEX-based Kitsune, heavy pick isn't really applicable.
There's also the rather annoying downside that 20 x4 is pretty lousy when you want to be regaining panache through critical hits, but at least you always get it from kills.
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Detail. Crusader Cleric of Sarenrae doesn't work well when you have to worship Sheyln to get into the prestige class (just realised the pfsrd doesn't make that clear.)
Game ends at level 11 so I want to enter prestige class no later than 5-6.
Thanks for the catch on dirty fighting. That puts Lore Warden on the table for two levels and 3 feats.
Irrepressible looks awesome. Just need to make sure it's pfs legal.
The sage counselor archetype can be used with an unchained monk, tho' not scaled fist. It is based around feinting which makes the name rather misleading IMO.
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Won't this FAQ prevent the double charisma to AC since they are both now have "Charisma bonus (if any)"?
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Won't this FAQ prevent the double charisma to AC since they are both now have "Charisma bonus (if any)"?
No
Artful Defense (Ex)
When wearing light or no armor and not using a shield, a devoted muse adds 1 point of her Charisma bonus (if any) per class level as a dodge bonus to her Armor Class. If she is caught flat-footed or otherwise denied her Dexterity bonus, she also loses this bonus.
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I may be in the minority here, but I feel like UnMonk has such strong level-based class features that it makes it impractical for most multiclassing. Being able to flurry with a two-handed weapon is one of the class' greatest strengths, which you eliminate by choosing not to use a monk weapon.
The Nine-ring broadsword (with a x3 crit) would be an option to use if you were STR-based (one handed weapon that you could use with two hands to maximize STR efficiency, but also use one-handed if needed).
If you decide to tay DEX-based, the Fighting Fan offers a x3 crit (and its piercing!), which fits the move to your prestige class.
I would also not worry so much about CHA at the expense of Will Saves and CON: starting with a 14 and working up to a +2 CHA item has proven to be sufficient for my UnMonk so far (but still in the early levels).
The PreReqs for that prestige class make the cost of entry very expensive In either case, the focus on 3x and 4x crit weapons with that prestige class are counter-intuitive to the Swashbuckler's main way of rebuilding panache, which is critting (preferably with an 18-20 crit range AND keen or Improved Critical). It seems like you might get more by mixing UnMonk directly with Swashbuckler.
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Snake Style would allow you to use your unarmed attack as piercing damage, but the crit range isn't high enough to mesh well with Swashbuckler.
I was just looking for light (finessable) for piercing monk weapons with higher crit ranges, and the only thing I could find was the Cestus, with a (19-20)x2 crit range. That might be an option that would work well with both UnMonk and Swashbuckler.
The only bad part about the unchained monk is that you are kind of forced to use unarmed attacks in combat.
Not really. As Argus points out, you can use monk weapons and flurry with those.
The UC Monk's Flurry of Blows states:
Flurry of Blows (Ex): At 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When making a flurry of blows, the monk can make one additional attack at his highest base attack bonus. This additional attack stacks with the bonus attacks from haste and other similar effects. When using this ability, the monk can make these attacks with any combination of his unarmed strikes and weapons that have the monk special weapon quality. He takes no penalty for using multiple weapons when making a flurry of blows, but he does not gain any additional attacks beyond what’s already granted by the flurry for doing so. (He can still gain additional attacks from a high base attack bonus, from this ability, and from haste and similar effects).
At 11th level, a monk can make an additional attack at his highest base attack bonus whenever he makes a flurry of blows. This stacks with the first attack from this ability and additional attacks from haste and similar effects.
Yeah but pretty much all of his ki powers(or atleast the best ones) require you to use an unarmed attack.
You can easily make the necessary unarmed strikes for things like a bonus Ki attack Flying Kick, while otherwise wielding a weapon. Weapon enhancement plus Bodywrap of Mighty Strikes enhancement isn't much different in cost from having to buy an Amulet of Mighty Fists.
Brawler's Flurry is called-out as not allowing Slashing Grace. As far as I know, Dervish Dance is the only way to play any kind of flurry with DEX damage.
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Out of the builds I listed, I think I prefer the monk1/rogue 4 build the most. In that build, you could work in bladed brush, but then you wouldn't be able to flurry with a glaive (without Crusader's Flurry).
Bladed brush did not get legal for play.
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Kerney: This is Sean Clark. Good to see you on the advice boards - hope you are enjoying things since your move!
I finally had some time to take a look at this again. Here's my suggestions, based on what it sounds like you are looking for:
Race: Kitsune
Str 10
dex 17
Con 14
Int 13
Wis 12
Cha 15
+1 DEX at 4th, +1 CHA at 8th.
Leveling - SF= Scaled Fist, UR= Unchained Rogue, DM=Devoted Muse PC
Weapon of Choice: Cestus, a (19-20)x2 threat Monk weapon
1) SF1 - Weapon Finesse (retrained for free at level 2 to Weapon Focus; Dragon Style (Monk); Unarmed Strike; Stunning Fist; Flurry of Blows
2) UR1 - Finesse Training, Trapfinding, +1d6 Sneak
3) UR2 - Combat Expertise; Evasion
4) UR3 - DEX to Damage w/ Cestus; +2d6 Sneak
5) SF2 - Improved Feint; Combat Reflexes (Monk bonus)
6) SF3 - +10' movement; Ki Pool
7+ - Devoted Muse
I am still not 100% sold on the Devoted Muse prestige class, but I think the above represents a very strong way to get there, if that is what you are looking for.
Just for reference, this is the UnMonk build that I am currently playing (just hit level 4):
Human Scaled Fist UnMonk
Str 18
Dex 13
Con 12
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 14
1) Weapon Focus: Sansetsukon; Power Attack (Human); Dragon Style (Monk)
2) Intimidating Prowess; Evasion
3) Skill Focus: UMD; Ki Strike: Magic
4) Ki Power; 1d8 US; +1AC
5) Iron Will; Style Strike (Leg Sweep)
6) Dazzling Display; Ki Power: Qinggong Power - Barkskin; 50' movement
7) Shatter Defenses; Retrain Skill Focus to Cornugon Smash; Ki Strike: CI/Silver
8) 1d10 US; +2AC; Insightful Wisdom Ki Power: Abundant Step
9) Steadfast Personality; 60' movement; Improved Evasion; Style Strike (Flying Kick)
10) Medusa's Wrath; Ki Power:
11) WF: Unarmed Strike