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So the other day one of my local PFS GMs told me that a Bloodrager can't use a wand while raging. This really cramps my style of sucking on a wand of Infernal Healing after a fight to not succumb to "sudden barbarian death syndrome" so I need to know if I'm a moron and it's always been like that, or if there's a rule that GM didn't see.
TL;DR - Can a Bloodrager use a wand in a Bloodrage?
So the other day one of my local PFS GMs told me that a Bloodrager can't use a wand while raging. This really cramps my style of sucking on a wand of Infernal Healing after a fight to not succumb to "sudden barbarian death syndrome" so I need to know if I'm a moron and it's always been like that, or if there's a rule that GM didn't see.
TL;DR - Can a Bloodrager use a wand in a Bloodrage?
DM Bias.
While bloodraging, a bloodrager cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.
Spell Trigger: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it’s even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can’t actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin. The user must still determine what spell is stored in the item before she can activate it. Activating a spell trigger item is a standard action and does not provoke attacks of opportunity.
You can argue both sides honestly.
To me it's a bit weird if the bloodrager can cast spells, but can't use wands of spells he knows while bloodraging.
I guess it could be intentional, or perhaps not considered.
Either way, that does seem to be technically how it works.
Blood Casting ability is the only reason a bloodrager can cast spells while bloodraging. Blood Casting makes no allowances for wands. As far as I can tell it's RAW, even if it is a bit funky.
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While raging, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except for Balance, Escape Artist, Intimidate, and Ride), the Concentration skill, or any abilities that require patience or concentration, nor can he cast spells or activate magic items that require a command word, a spell trigger (such as a wand), or spell completion (such as a scroll) to function.
Pathfinder removed that last clause about magic items.
While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.
A bloodrager basically has the same language as a barbarian.
While bloodraging, a bloodrager cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.
I would go with that Spell Trigger and Command Word items could be used in a rage, but Spell Completion items (i.e. reading a scroll) could not.
Sammy T, it's unclear because it's unclear whether or not "any ability that requires patience or concentration" includes command word, spell trigger or spell completion items.
Despite the line being removed from the description of rage from 3.5 to Pathfinder, it is unclear to me if they removed it because they thought it was covered by the concentration clause or it it was because they deliberately were changing it.
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I would say no concentration required, due to this line,
Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it’s even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken.
And the fact that Bloodragers can still cast and talk while in Bloodrage.
Not really anything to concentrate on for shouting "BOOM!" while using a wand of fireball.
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The only thing that would stop a Bloodrager from using a wand while raging would be the difference between casting a spell on their spell list that would not require UMD, and a spell that is NOT on their spell list which would require UMD.
If the spell is not on their spell list, they can not use UMD while raging as that is a Cha based skill.
If it is on their spell list, then they can activate the wand as easily as they could cast the spell.
In this case, I'm afraid the GM is right (unless you can show where the bloodrager gets Infernal Healing on his spell list, do this and you are good!).
Bloodrager Spells
Bloodragers gain access to the following spells.1st-Level Bloodrager Spells: blade lash, blurred movement, break, burning hands, cause fear, chill touch, color spray, corrosive touch, ear-piercing scream, endure elements, enlarge person, expeditious retreat, feather fall, flare burst, frostbite, hydraulic push, icicle dagger, jump, line in the sand, long arm, mage armor, magic missile, magic weapon, marid's mastery, mirror strike, mount, mudball, phantom blood, protection from chaos/evil/good/law, ray of enfeeblement, ray of sickening, reduce person, returning weapon, shadow weapon, shield, shock shield, shocking grasp, stone fist, stone shield, strong wings, sundering shards, thunderstomp, touch of combustion, touch of gracelessness, touch of the sea, true strike, unerring weapon, warding weapon, wave shield, web bolt, windy escape, winter feathers.
2nd-Level Bloodrager Spells: Ablative barrier, acid arrow, adhesive blood, animal aspect, bear's endurance, blindness/deafness, blood armor, blood blaze, boiling blood, brow gasher, bullet shield, bull's strength, burning gaze, cat's grace, certain grip, daze monster, death from below, defensive shock, delay pain, disfiguring touch, dust of twilight, eagle's splendor, elemental touch, extreme flexibility, false life, fire breath, flaming sphere, frigid touch, ghoul touch, glitterdust, gust of wind, gusting sphere, imbue with elemental might, mirror image, molten orb, protection from arrows, pyrotechnics, resist energy, scorching ray, see invisibility, shatter, slipstream, sonic scream, spider climb, steal breath, stone call, stone discus, touch of idiocy, unshakable chill.
3rd-Level Bloodrager Spells: Air geyser, animal aspect (greater), aqueous orb, beast shape I, blood biography, blood scent, burrow, burst of speed, chain of perdition, cloak of winds, countless eyes, draconic reservoir, elemental aura, eruptive pustules, excruciating deformation, fire trail, fireball, firestream, flame arrow, fly, force hook charge, force punch, gloomblind bolts, haste, heroism, hold person, hostile levitation, howling agony, hydraulic torrent, keen edge, lightning bolt, locate weakness, magic weapon (greater), monstrous physique I, pain strike, paragon surge, phantom steed, protection from energy, rage, raging rubble, ray of exhaustion, resinous skin, silver darts, sleet storm, slow, stinking cloud, thunderstomp (greater), twilight knife, undead anatomy I, vampiric touch, versatile weapon, vision of hell, water breathing, wind wall.
4th-Level Bloodrager Spells: absorbing inhalation, ball lightning, beast shape II, bestow curse, black tentacles, calcific touch, confusion, contagion, crushing despair, detonate, dragon's breath, earth glide, elemental body I, enervation, enlarge person (mass), false life (greater), fear, fire shield, firefall, flaming sphere (greater), ghost wolf, hellmouth lash, ice storm, monstrous physique II, moonstruck, pellet blast, phantasmal killer, reduce person (mass), ride the waves, river of wind, shocking image, shout, stoneskin, telekinetic charge, touch of slime, vermin shape I, vitriolic mist, volcanic storm, wall of fire, wall of ice, wall of sound, wreath of blades.
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In this case, I'm afraid the GM is right (unless you can show where the bloodrager gets Infernal Healing on his spell list, do this and you are good!).
Advanced Class Origins, page 9. ^_^
BLOODRAGER SPELLS
The bloodrager spell list includes the following spells.
1st-level Bloodrager Spells: Deadeye’s arrowISG, face
of the DevourerISG, firebellyISG, Gorum’s armorISWG, ice
armorISG, infernal healingISWG, touch of bloodlettingISG,
tracking markISG.
2nd-level Bloodrager Spells: Arcane disruption (see
page 30), Gozreh’s tridentISG, Rovagug’s furyISG.
3rd-level Bloodrager Spells: Blade snareISG, blood
salvation (see page 30), channel vigorISG, fractions of
heal and harmISG, monstrous extremitiesISG, sky swimISG,
vermin shape IISWG.
4th-level Bloodrager Spells: Baphomet’s blessingISG,
caustic bloodISG, sadomasochismISG, vermin shape IIISWG.
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In this case, I'm afraid the GM is right (unless you can show where the bloodrager gets Infernal Healing on his spell list, do this and you are good!).Advanced Class Origins, page 9. ^_^
BLOODRAGER SPELLS
The bloodrager spell list includes the following spells.
1st-level Bloodrager Spells: Deadeye’s arrowISG, face
of the DevourerISG, firebellyISG, Gorum’s armorISWG, ice
armorISG, infernal healingISWG, touch of bloodlettingISG,
tracking markISG.
2nd-level Bloodrager Spells: Arcane disruption (see
page 30), Gozreh’s tridentISG, Rovagug’s furyISG.
3rd-level Bloodrager Spells: Blade snareISG, blood
salvation (see page 30), channel vigorISG, fractions of
heal and harmISG, monstrous extremitiesISG, sky swimISG,
vermin shape IISWG.
4th-level Bloodrager Spells: Baphomet’s blessingISG,
caustic bloodISG, sadomasochismISG, vermin shape IIISWG.
And that's permitted in PFS additional resources.. So you should be good for PFS (as long as you own the book) and any homegame that the GM accepts the 'Advanced Class Origins'!
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From the combat chapter:
"Spell Trigger, Command Word, or Use-Activated Items: Activating any of these kinds of items does not require concentration and does not provoke attacks of opportunity."
From the combat chapter:
"Spell Trigger, Command Word, or Use-Activated Items: Activating any of these kinds of items does not require concentration and does not provoke attacks of opportunity."
Good find.