How does everyone think the vigilante with avenger stacks with the evangelist prestige class?
An avenger gains a base attack bonus equal to his vigilante level instead of using those listed on Table: The Vigilante. He adds this value to any other base attack bonus gained from other classes or racial Hit Dice as normal.
Aligned Class (Ex): Evangelists come from many different backgrounds, and they show an unusual range of diversity. At 2nd level, the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class. She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains. She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.
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As written, it actually looks like you get Vig Level + Evangelist Level + 3/4 Evangelist level as bab. So a Vig 10/Evangelist 10 would have 26 bab. Because technically, you're adding the scaled up effective Vigilante level to the bab from Evangelist.
That is unless there's a base rule somewhere that says you never gain more bab than hit die (there probably should be!)
Either way, as a GM I'd never actually use that interpretation. There's nothing unbalancing about letting the Vig get full bab for level 2-10 of Evangelist, and it still seems like a sane interpretation, so I'd grant them that.
Why is this even a question. No, you don't stack BAB. The Vigilante's BAB is equal to his level, but you're not getting your BAB from the vigilante class - you're getting it from the Evangelist, which has 3/4 BAB regardless of the class features from its Aligned Class.
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Why is this even a question. No, you don't stack BAB. The Vigilante's BAB is equal to his level, but you're not getting your BAB from the vigilante class - you're getting it from the Evangelist, which has 3/4 BAB regardless of the class features from its Aligned Class.
Actually, normally Vigilantes have 3/4 BAB. The Avenger Vigilante counts his class level as his BAB instead due to his Vigilante specialization class feature.
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Why is this even a question. No, you don't stack BAB. The Vigilante's BAB is equal to his level, but you're not getting your BAB from the vigilante class - you're getting it from the Evangelist, which has 3/4 BAB regardless of the class features from its Aligned Class.Actually, normally Vigilantes have 3/4 BAB. The Avenger Vigilante counts his class level as his BAB instead due to his Vigilante specialization class feature.
Indeed. What it really comes down to is how these replacement clauses for Avenger and for Evangelist interact, but realistically no sane GM will allow them to stack.
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As written, it actually looks like you get Vig Level + Evangelist Level + 3/4 Evangelist level as bab. So a Vig 10/Evangelist 10 would have 26 bab. Because technically, you're adding the scaled up effective Vigilante level to the bab from Evangelist.
That is unless there's a base rule somewhere that says you never gain more bab than hit die (there probably should be!)
Either way, as a GM I'd never actually use that interpretation. There's nothing unbalancing about letting the Vig get full bab for level 2-10 of Evangelist, and it still seems like a sane interpretation, so I'd grant them that.
So you are saying the RAW gives you 26 bab?
And also that using that would be unbalancing?
Seems that all that is true.
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The vigilante feature replaces what the actual BAB values at those levels so a 10/10 would be 19 BAB.
Add evangelist - 1 to vigilantly level to determine bab.
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As written, it actually looks like you get Vig Level + Evangelist Level + 3/4 Evangelist level as bab. So a Vig 10/Evangelist 10 would have 26 bab. Because technically, you're adding the scaled up effective Vigilante level to the bab from Evangelist.
That is unless there's a base rule somewhere that says you never gain more bab than hit die (there probably should be!)
Either way, as a GM I'd never actually use that interpretation. There's nothing unbalancing about letting the Vig get full bab for level 2-10 of Evangelist, and it still seems like a sane interpretation, so I'd grant them that.
So you are saying the RAW gives you 26 bab?
And also that using that would be unbalancing?
Seems that all that is true.
Strictly RAW speaking, it's a pretty silly loophole, but it basically comes down to how the following line should be interpreted:
She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.
I actually think that by RAW it's going to be either 'they stack' or 'you get 3/4 BAB for Evangelist regardless', withholding an explicit cap on BAB gained per level. But between common sense amd a lack of any precedent I would 100% agree on using the 'Vig level + [Evangelist level - 1]' guidelines, as the others say.
The vigilante feature replaces what the actual BAB values at those levels so a 10/10 would be 19 BAB.
Probably how I'd rule it if I was the GM.