| Vince Frost |
This has to be wrong.
A greater transformative weapon becomes any other weapon the wielder desires when a command word is spoken. The weapon cannot become ammunition, but can freely change between simple, martial, exotic, light, one-handed, two-handed, melee, and ranged. The weapon retains all of its enhancement bonuses and weapon special abilities.
Does that mean with enchanted armor spikes with greater transformative, I can grab a spike, transform it in to a greatsword, and my armor is spike free? I would think "treat armor spikes as martial weapons" doesn't cover this.
Nitro~Nina
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I think you'd suddenly have a greatsword randomly attached to your armour somewhere undefined by you. You might be able to break it off, and use it, but then if you turn it back into spikes you'll just be holding a bunch of spikes that aren't part of your armour. It'd be a one-time trick unless you can stick them back on again.
| toastedamphibian |
I would think you would end up holding a greatsword, or with a great sword that falls to the ground. I have no idea why you might want to do such a thing. But you could turn a transformative greatsword into armor spikes, but would probably need to attach them manually.
Frankly, for the cost, I don't have a problem with allowing them to attach/detach as appropriate as part of the standard action transformation cost.
| Drahliana Moonrunner |
Good. Attached to armor. Can't come off. That makes perfect sense.
I can still have my Spring loaded sheaths with a +1 Greater Transformative daggers up my sleeves then?
If you transform them as something larger they'll either be jammed in your sheaths, or not be able to put in. I see what you're thinking though, but sad to say, ejecting them as daggers and having them land as Colossal Greatswords isn't going to fly.
| Gisher |
Good. Attached to armor. Can't come off. That makes perfect sense.
I can still have my Spring loaded sheaths with a +1 Greater Transformative daggers up my sleeves then?
Sure, but transforming requires a command word and thus takes a standard action. By the time you transform both daggers into other forms the battle will likely be nearly finished.
Nitro~Nina
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Drahliana and Gisher are sadly completely correct. Unfortunate, and I hadn't even considered it, but that is how it is.
UNLESS! You could somehow have the daggers enchanted with the command word being something that an Animal Companion could pronounce; in this case you just need to have two levels in Packmaster Hunter, and your companions totally could ready an action to do that.
This is under the assumption that you can train a parrot Bird Companion to say a command word, but how cool would it be for your Pirate to suddenly unsheathe two tiny knives into his hands and have them instantly be large cutlasses or something while his shoulder parrots scream "CRACKERS"?
What's really awesome is that it becomes whatever the WIELDER wants when "a command word is spoken", so it doesn't actually need to be the wielder that says it.
| toastedamphibian |
I'm fairly certain that the user of an item has to issue the command word. Otherwise, people would just scream your command words at you to trigger your items.
This doesn't allow detachment.
Nothing allows a greatsword to be attached to your armor, either.
If I ram a spear through a piece of wood, then turn it into a great club, is it still attached to the wood? Does the wood break, or does the club incorporate the wood or...
If you want to go by the most literal interpretation possible: Armor spikes can be attached to armor, greatswords can't. Armor spikes stop being something that can be attached to armor, they stop being attached to armor. Or just circumvent the whole goofy problem. They are changing size, mass, material, and shape to be any kind of weapon you want. Player payed good money for it, rules do not specifically allow or disallow it, it's a standard action. Just let them decide if they want them attached or unattached.
If the DM decides that they always stay attached wherever they where, start with something like a tekko kagi that can be attached to the arm.
Now you have a greatsword strapped to your arm. Slash away and enjoy your free hand.
Nitro~Nina
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I'm fairly certain that the user of an item has to issue the command word. Otherwise, people would just scream your command words at you to trigger your items.
They certainly can, if your character is dumb enough to let anyone else know what the words are.
Like my pirate totally is; but then and again it's still the wielder that decides, and if they're sheathed then no-one's wielding them and screaming wouldn't work. In his case, it doesn't matter if anyone knows the command.
Nitro~Nina
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Ah, my apologies. So... what's a non-intelligent magic items typical perception bonus? If you say it too quietly, does it not function? What if someone in the next room says the command word? A previous owner in a foreign country?
Hmm, I'd assume it needs to be within vocal range, but as to the Perception thing... that's a really good question. Whispering right into the item would probably work. The rules don't really cover that, I don't think.
Mind you, most things that require command words only benefit the wielder themselves, so perhaps it isn't so dumb to be loud about it in every case.
Nitro~Nina
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Wait, I don't need to say the command word myself? How far can I take this? You said animal companion. How about maniacal devices? Attach or part of the sheaths. Perhaps a magical recording of the command word?
The Command Word rules do say "Character", which is often synonymous with "Creature" in Pathfinder (it would be difficult to attempt to persuade someone that a magical beast would be unable to activate it). I would assume that the creature that says it has to do so there and then, rather than hours ago and recorded. Don't you have to activate that sort of thing with an action anyway?
If your GM is iffy about the whole parrot Bird Companion thing since it's not saying it with meaning, you could still do it with a Decoy Familiar or Raven which can both speak. You'd only get one weapon per round, however.
Halek
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Wait, I don't need to say the command word myself? How far can I take this? You said animal companion. How about maniacal devices? Attach or part of the sheaths. Perhaps a magical recording of the command word?
I am fairly certain you need to be holding the item. I cant find a rules citation for that though. Seems like if it is true you could fire bigger daggers with wrist launchers.
| toastedamphibian |
What might work: Add Concealed or Concealed, Lesser to it.
Transformative to turn it into weapon A
Concealed to turn it into some other mundane object
Transformative again to turn it to weapon B
Now, at any time, you can turn it from Weapon B, or C, etc, back into weapon A for only a move action.
A Permissive DM might just let you change it from one type of weapon to another as a move action.
Lesser limits your options somewhat, but is only 3000gp instead of 7500gp.