Dwarf Wizard Crafter-Am I doing this correctly.

[Truwen]

Hey, it came up tonight while discussing with a friend that I may be doing the math incorrectly! So I have come here to ask.

Base crafting speed:
1k gp per 8 hour period.

I have valet Familiar doubles gp value of items to be crafted each day.
I have Arcane Builder Wondrous Items, craft these 25% faster than normal.
I always increasee DC by +5 to speed up crafting by 50%.
I have the 200 gp/50 gp favored class bonus from dwarf. At level 10 that gives me 2000gp/500 per day for wondrous items.

So if I apply the progress modifiers first..8-50%=4-25%=3 hours is my base which allows me to complete 2666gp per day in 8 hours. Before adding any other modifiers (is this correct?). At this point I would add the familiars gp value modifier and multiply it by 2.

I am now at 5332 per 8 hours. Bringing my up to a total of 7332 per 8 hours in an ideal location for crafting (My castle for example).

OR 9332 depending on when I add the 2000 gp from favored class...Which is the correct answer? Or am I just way off altogether?

[Klorox]

OK, I don't get you... are you using purely the CRB crafting rules, or something more from a book I haven't read thoroughly?

[Rub-Eta]

He's using the Valet Familiar (Pathfinder Player Companion: Animal Archive) which posses the Cooperative Crafting feat (Advanced Player's Guide), the Arcane Builder ‎Arcane Discovery (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Ultimate Magic) and the Dwarven Alternate Favored Class Bonus (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Race Guide) in addition to the CRB magic item crafting rules.

This is a problem, since Alt FCB grants an additive bonus while the rest are multiplicative. According to real world mathemagic, you multiply before you add, unless otherwise noted - This does not, however, mean that this absolutely is the case in Pathfinder rules.

Looking at the Alt FCB, it says "the amount of progress made in an 8-hour period increases by 200 gp" - strictly reading this, it does not increase the amount of progress made unless you work 8 hours. This means that it should be added to the entire 8 hour session, not to the speed up process (since it's not the full 8 hours).

I also think it's reasonable from a balancing point of view. Going from ~5k to ~7k and not ~5k to ~9k.

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[Klorox]

thanks, it's a lot more limited than the OP makes it look and managing to craft 1.000 gp/day or more doesn't make sense to me. still <ith the discovery and racial advancement bonus, it makes more sense.

[Dasrak]

Klorox wrote:

OK, I don't get you... are you using purely the CRB crafting rules, or something more from a book I haven't read thoroughly?

This is CRB crafting rules, he's just applying bonuses to his crafting speed from other sources.

Truwen wrote:

I have valet Familiar doubles gp value of items to be crafted each day.

Yes, that's worth +100%. Just be mindful you need to take the Cooperative Crafting feat yourself, since the familiar archetype only gives that ability to the familiar and not to you.

Truwen wrote:

I have Arcane Builder Wondrous Items, craft these 25% faster than normal.

Yes, that's another +25% so you're up to +125%

Truwen wrote:

I always increasee DC by +5 to speed up crafting by 50%.

The DC increase doesn't work this way. This doesn't increase the amount of progress in a crafting session, but instead reduces the amount of time required to complete a single crafting session.

Truwen wrote:

I have the 200 gp/50 gp favored class bonus from dwarf. At level 10 that gives me 2000gp/500 per day for wondrous items.

This one is the tricky one, as it's not clear whether this applies only to a full 8 hours of crafting, or if it can apply to a 4 hour crafting session if you use accelerated DC.

If you allow the Dwarf FCB to apply on the accelerated crafting session, then you get 3000 GP of progress per session, +125% = 6750 GP progress for each 4 hours spent crafting. That's 13500 GP of progress for two 4 hour sessions.

If you don't allow the Dwarf FCB to apply on the accelerated crafting session then you get 1000 GP of progress per session, +125% = 2250 GP progress per 4 hours spent crafting. If you spend two back-to-back sessions then you also get your 2000 GP FCB bonus of progress, +125% = 4500 GP, for a total of 9000 GP for the two 4 hour sessions.

Either way, if you craft while adventuring you get 750 GP worth of progress +125% = 1687.5 GP of progress per day.

[_Ozy_]

Dasrak wrote:

Yes, that's worth +100%. Just be mindful you need to take the Cooperative Crafting feat yourself, since the familiar archetype only gives that ability to the familiar and not to you.

That's not required. The familiar can boost the progress without the master having cooperative crafting. All the feast says is that both must have the item creation feats.

[Dasrak]

_Ozy_ wrote:

That's not required. The familiar can boost the progress without the master having cooperative crafting. All the feast says is that both must have the item creation feats.

I could have sworn that Cooperative Crafting was a teamwork feat, but it's not. You're right, the main crafter doesn't need it.